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Follow-up: State-level differences that actually matter posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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il.dumitruTL25 Apr 2026#31
c.grimaldi, post #24: The practical version of State-level differences is three sentences long. The rigorous version is three pages and reaches the same conclusion with the conditions attached. Go to post

I had read the opposite somewhere and cannot now find where, which tells me something.

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g.haalandTL3Regular5 Apr 2026#32

Where I have landed on State-level differences, having got it wrong once in public: the direction is clear, the magnitude is not, and anyone quoting a precise magnitude has borrowed it from somewhere that did not measure it.

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s.beaulieuTL25 Apr 2026#33

Narrowing post #30, because the general version has more than one answer.

Worth separating State-level differences as a question about the compound from State-level differences as a question about the documentation. They get answered by different people and only one of them is answerable here.

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f.abrahamsenTL2Member5 Apr 2026#34

Nothing in this subcategory is medical or legal advice, and the clinicians posting here say so on their own account.

Someone will know this better than I do and I hope they say so.

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ka.haddadTL25 Apr 2026#35
il.dumitru, post #31: I had read the opposite somewhere and cannot now find where, which tells me something. Go to post

Compounded preparations and authorised products are different regulatory categories with different oversight, and conflating them produces most of the confusion here.

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a.salcedoTL3Regular5 Apr 2026 · edited#36

Post #32 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

I would put moderate confidence on the mainstream reading of State-level differences and no more. That is not scepticism for its own sake; it is where the sourcing actually stops.

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m.yilmazTL26 Apr 2026#37

On State-level differences: the maintained page in the documentation commons covers the general case with citations and a review date, which is more reliable than any reply here including this one.

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s.duarteTL26 Apr 2026#38

The denial letter is the specification for the appeal. It states a criterion and the job is to demonstrate that criterion in the letter's own language.

Happy to expand any of that if it is the useful part.

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b.teixeiraTL26 Apr 2026#39

This follows post #38 rather than contradicting it.

Nobody has said the unglamorous part of State-level differences yet, so: most of the variation is explained by things that are boring to write about and easy to check.

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endpoint_marginTL2Member6 Apr 2026#40

Worth separating two things that post #36 runs together.

My experience of State-level differences contradicts the reply above. I am posting it as a data point rather than as a refutation, because one person's experience is exactly that.

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s.kuuselaTL26 Apr 2026#41
s.duarte, post #38: The denial letter is the specification for the appeal. It states a criterion and the job is to demonstrate that criterion in the letter's own language. Happy to expand any of that if it is the useful part. Go to post

Prior authorisation criteria are usually published by the payer and reading them before the appointment changes the outcome more than anything else does.

Written in the hope of being told what I have missed.

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batchlogTL36 Apr 2026#42
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g.radichTL26 Apr 2026#43

The arithmetic on State-level differences is the easy part and it is where the errors are, which is an uncomfortable combination. Show your working and someone will catch it.

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two_year_lineTL3Regular6 Apr 2026#44

Adding the measurement that post #41 says would settle it.

Formulary position changes on a schedule that is published in advance, which means a decision made now may be answering last year's formulary.

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id.almeidaTL26 Apr 2026#45
l.ibarra, post #17: Picking up post #16: that is the part I would want checked first. Emotional language in an appeal does not help, however justified it is. The reviewer is checking criteria and the job is to make them checkable. Go to post

The honest answer on State-level differences is that it depends, and the useful part is the list of what it depends on. Four items, in rough order of how much they matter.

Most people get the first two right and then argue about the fourth.

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baseline_driftTL2Analytical chemist6 Apr 2026#46

Checked the State-level differences claim against the primary source this morning. It survives, with a narrower scope than the version quoted here. Posting the narrower scope.

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j.iyerTL26 Apr 2026#47

Answering the question post #45 raises rather than the one it answers.

Date every claim in this subcategory. Positions here have moved repeatedly and old posts are read as current.

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bias_varianceTL4Biostatistician6 Apr 2026#48

Useful. I had the fact and not the reason, which turns out to be the important half.

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c.tullochTL26 Apr 2026 · edited#49

I read post #45 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Cross-border purchasing raises both a legal question and a practical one, and the legal one is yours to establish for your own jurisdiction.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator6 Apr 2026#50
dietitian_hollis, post #25: I read post #24 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Anyone reporting an outcome should give the stated reason rather than the verdict. The reason is the part somebody else can use. Go to post

Post #49 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Adding what did not work for me on State-level differences, since the failures never get written up and they are half the useful information.

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a.norgaardTL26 Apr 2026 · edited#51

Answering the State-level differences question as asked, then the question I think is meant. As asked: yes, with the qualification below. As meant: it depends on how the first measurement was taken.

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trough_indexTL3Regular6 Apr 2026#52

Pharmacy practice varies between pharmacies within the same city, so two honest accounts can be entirely different.

That is what I would do. It may not be what is correct.

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ne.laurentTL26 Apr 2026#53

Reading rather than contributing, but this is the most useful thread I have found on it.

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buffer_reviewTL3Regular7 Apr 2026#54
quiet_lurker, post #10: Adding a data point of agreement rather than a data point. Go to post

Answering the question post #50 raises rather than the one it answers.

What I would want before treating State-level differences as settled: the method, the sample, and whether anyone tried to find the opposite result. Two of the three are usually missing.

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t.demirTL27 Apr 2026#55

Reading back through the State-level differences threads from last year, the same three questions come up every time and only one of them has ever been answered properly. That seems like a documentation gap rather than a knowledge gap.

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t.ndiayeTL27 Apr 2026#56

Anyone reporting an outcome should give the stated reason rather than the verdict. The reason is the part somebody else can use.

That has been true for the cases I have seen and I have not seen many.

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f.novakTL27 Apr 2026#57
bias_variance, post #48: Useful. I had the fact and not the reason, which turns out to be the important half. Go to post

State-level differences is well covered in the tag pages, and the older discussions are better than the recent ones because they were argued out properly. Worth twenty minutes before adding to this one.

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KTurkingtonTL3Regular7 Apr 2026#58
figure_review, post #4: Narrowing post #3, because the general version has more than one answer. Both are useful and different. The account tells you what happens in practice; the criterion tells you what to write. The claim is narrower than it sounds, and deliberately so. Go to post

Everything in post #54 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

The reason State-level differences keeps being re-asked is that the answer is conditional and people quote it without the condition. It is not that the answer is unknown.

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n.kirchnerTL27 Apr 2026#59
KLindqvist, post #50: Post #49 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Adding what did not work for me on State-level differences, since the failures never get written up and they are half the useful information. Go to post

Confirming post #56 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Cost comparisons should state whether they include the device and the dispensing fee, because those differ between routes and between states.

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integrator_traceTL2Member7 Apr 2026#60

That matches what I have seen, for whatever a single anecdote is worth.

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