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Coming back to: Feature request: should a dose-equivalence tool exist at all?

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Post #8 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition. Do the arithmetic by hand the first few times, whatever tool you use afterwards. A calculator with a wrong input gives a confident wrong answer and there is nothing in the interface to tell you. That is what the documentation says. What happens in…

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m.silvaTL23 Nov 2025#1

Feature request: should a dose-equivalence tool exist at all? I have a specific reason for asking rather than idle curiosity, and the context is below.

Reading back through what has been written here about Feature request, three questions come up every time and only one has ever been answered properly.

Listing all three, with what I think the state of the answer is for each, so the thread can start further along than the last one did.

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eire_readerTL2Regional · IE6 Nov 2025#2

The question underneath Feature request is usually "how would I tell?" rather than "what is true?", and that one has a method attached to it.

Write down what you would expect to see under each hypothesis before you collect anything. If they predict the same observation, collecting it will not help.

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s.ivaturiTL27 Nov 2025#3
m.silva, post #1: Feature request: should a dose-equivalence tool exist at all? I have a specific reason for asking rather than idle curiosity, and the context is below. Reading back through what has been written here about Feature request, three questions come up every time and only one has ever been answered properly. Listing all three, with what I… Go to post

Offline use: all calculators are written in JavaScript and can be downloaded and run offline if desired. They do not require internet connectivity to function.

The confident version of this sentence would be wrong, so here is the hedged one.

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k.redgraveTL2Member9 Nov 2025#4

The opening post answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Units: all calculators explicitly require units to be stated. This prevents the decimal-point errors that come from forgetting units. Always verify units in and out.

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ma.nascimentoTL210 Nov 2025#5

Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together.

My experience of Feature request contradicts the reply above. I am posting it as a data point rather than as a refutation, because one person's experience is exactly that.

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citation_peakTL3Regular12 Nov 2025#6
k.redgrave, post #4: The opening post answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Units: all calculators explicitly require units to be stated. This prevents the decimal-point errors that come from forgetting units. Always verify units in and out. Go to post

This is the sort of exchange that makes the archive worth searching.

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s.demirTL213 Nov 2025 · edited#7

Reading back through the Feature request threads from last year, the same three questions come up every time and only one of them has ever been answered properly. That seems like a documentation gap rather than a knowledge gap.

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l.parkinsonTL2Member14 Nov 2025#8

Checking a tool against a worked example you already trust is five minutes well spent, and it is the only validation available to a user.

I am not the right person to answer the follow-up to this.

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i.dumitruTL215 Nov 2025#9
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o.pasqualeTL1Member Solution17 Nov 2025#10

Post #8 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

Do the arithmetic by hand the first few times, whatever tool you use afterwards. A calculator with a wrong input gives a confident wrong answer and there is nothing in the interface to tell you.

That is what the documentation says. What happens in practice is usually close.

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an.kirchnerTL218 Nov 2025#11
citation_peak, post #6: This is the sort of exchange that makes the archive worth searching. Go to post

A tool that refuses to give an answer when the result falls below one graduation is doing something useful. Most just print the number.

I have seen it go both ways, which is why I hedge.

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glossary_checkTL2Member19 Nov 2025#12
i.dumitru, post #9: If a tool asks for a value you do not have, the honest response is to find the value rather than to estimate it. Estimated inputs propagate silently. The reasoning is more useful than the number, which is why I have shown it. Go to post

Dose-equivalence calculators between compounds should be treated with real suspicion, because equivalence between these compounds has not been established in the way the tool implies.

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t.demirTL220 Nov 2025#13

Post #10 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

My understanding of Feature request is a few years old and may have been superseded. If it has been, I would genuinely like to know rather than keep repeating it.

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t.ndiayeTL221 Nov 2025 · edited#14

An observation about Feature request that I cannot explain and am posting anyway, on the principle that unexplained observations are more useful public than private.

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a.friskTL222 Nov 2025#15

The residual-volume question belongs in the tool rather than in a footnote, because it is the difference between the calculation and reality.

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p.mbekiTL223 Nov 2025#16
t.ndiaye, post #14: An observation about Feature request that I cannot explain and am posting anyway, on the principle that unexplained observations are more useful public than private. Go to post

Understood. Thank you for being specific about the limits of it.

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n.moreauTL224 Nov 2025#17

Two sentences on Feature request and then I will stop, because the rest is speculation and the thread is better without mine.

What is documented is narrow. What is inferred from it is broad. The gap between them is where every argument here lives.

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j.nascimentoTL225 Nov 2025#18

Unit-conversion tools are only as good as the assumption they make about the syringe. Ask what barrel and what graduation interval it assumed before trusting the units figure.

I keep a log of this specifically because memory is unreliable about it.

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c.bakkerTL226 Nov 2025 · edited#19
t.ndiaye, post #14: An observation about Feature request that I cannot explain and am posting anyway, on the principle that unexplained observations are more useful public than private. Go to post

Post #18 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

I would be cautious about generalising from the Feature request example above. It is a good example. It is one example.

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m.brobergTL227 Nov 2025#20

A definition problem is doing most of the work in this Feature request discussion. Once the term is pinned down I suspect the disagreement mostly goes away and what is left is small.

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ThibodeauTL3Regular28 Nov 2025#21
t.ndiaye, post #14: An observation about Feature request that I cannot explain and am posting anyway, on the principle that unexplained observations are more useful public than private. Go to post

A titration planner is a scheduling aid rather than a clinical recommendation, and any tool that presents one as the other is overstepping.

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f.chowdhuryTL229 Nov 2025#22

What I want from this Feature request thread is the list of things that would need to be true for the claim to hold. If we can write that list, we can check it.

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m.eriksenTL230 Nov 2025 · edited#23

If a tool asks for a value you do not have, the honest response is to find the value rather than to estimate it. Estimated inputs propagate silently.

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h.amankwahTL21 Dec 2025#24

Narrowing post #21, because the general version has more than one answer.

Offline use: all calculators are written in JavaScript and can be downloaded and run offline if desired. They do not require internet connectivity to function.

Not the answer, but possibly the question that gets there.

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l.piresTL22 Dec 2025#25
a.frisk, post #15: The residual-volume question belongs in the tool rather than in a footnote, because it is the difference between the calculation and reality. Go to post

Post #21 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Practical answer on Feature request, since the theoretical one is upthread: do the simplest check first, write down the result, and only then decide whether the complicated explanation is needed. It usually is not.

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m.ekstromTL23 Dec 2025#26

I have no financial interest in anything named in this thread and I want to say so before I comment on Feature request, because it is the sort of subject where it matters.

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b.demirTL24 Dec 2025#27

Dose-equivalence calculators between compounds should be treated with real suspicion, because equivalence between these compounds has not been established in the way the tool implies.

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h.mensahTL24 Dec 2025#28
f.chowdhury, post #22: What I want from this Feature request thread is the list of things that would need to be true for the claim to hold. If we can write that list, we can check it. Go to post

Genuine question rather than a rhetorical one: has anyone here actually observed Feature request, as opposed to read about it? The thread is long and I cannot tell.

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TamburelloTL2Member5 Dec 2025#29

Worth separating two things that post #25 runs together.

Precision and significant figures: the calculators do not round to match your input precision. If you input values to one decimal place, the output might have more. Use significant figures appropriate to your input precision.

The evidence for this is thinner than the way I have phrased it suggests.

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l.lundgrenTL26 Dec 2025#30

This follows post #29 rather than contradicting it.

Units: all calculators explicitly require units to be stated. This prevents the decimal-point errors that come from forgetting units. Always verify units in and out.

On reflection I would soften that slightly.

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