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Fasting versus non-fasting and which tests care posts 61–79

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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n.haddadTL22 Jul 2026 · edited#61
steady_state, post #51: Fasting versus non-fasting: I have looked for the primary source twice and failed twice. Either it does not exist or it is somewhere I do not know to look, and I would like to know which. Go to post

Post #58 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Fasting versus non-fasting has been discussed here with more heat than it deserves, mostly because two definitions have been in play the whole time.

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n.stanescuTL24 Jul 2026#62
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j.mwangiTL4 Moderator5 Jul 2026#63

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

Posted with less confidence than the sentence structure implies.

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s.kimaniTL27 Jul 2026#64
s.ivaturi, post #5: Fasting versus non-fasting: I would want to see the raw numbers rather than the summary before agreeing. Summaries lose exactly the information that would settle this. Go to post

Analytical imprecision: any measurement has an error margin. A small difference in consecutive tests is usually measurement noise, not a real change. Knowing the imprecision helps distinguish noise from signal.

A partial answer, offered because a partial answer beats none.

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s.cardosoTL28 Jul 2026#65

Post #61 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Fasting state: some lab tests require fasting; others do not. Lipids on a fasting draw differ from lipids on a fed draw. Always note whether the test was fasting when comparing results.

Adding this to the thread rather than to the wiki, because I am not confident enough for the wiki.

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g.ibarraTL29 Jul 2026#66
e.ferreira, post #48: The honest answer on fasting versus non-fasting is that it depends, and the useful part is the list of what it depends on. Four items, in rough order of how much they matter. Most people get the first two right and then argue about the fourth. Go to post

Fasting versus non-fasting would be much easier to settle if anyone reported the denominator. Almost nobody reports the denominator.

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j.nwosuTL211 Jul 2026#67

Where the fasting versus non-fasting reasoning breaks down for me is the step from the group result to the individual case. That step is almost never argued for.

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b.petrovTL212 Jul 2026#68

Glycaemic markers integrate over different periods. A point glucose and a longer-term marker disagreeing is not a contradiction; it is two different questions.

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ca.haddadTL214 Jul 2026#69

No disagreement from me. Posting only so the question does not look ignored.

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v.klausenTL3Regular15 Jul 2026 · edited#70

Picking up post #68: that is the part I would want checked first.

An update on my earlier fasting versus non-fasting post: the pattern held for another six weeks and then stopped, which I did not predict and cannot explain.

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z.vogelTL216 Jul 2026#71

Picking up post #68: that is the part I would want checked first.

My experience of fasting versus non-fasting contradicts the reply above. I am posting it as a data point rather than as a refutation, because one person's experience is exactly that.

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diluent_watchTL2Member18 Jul 2026#72

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

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ca.vermeulenTL219 Jul 2026#73
lc_gradient, post #39: I would rather this thread reach "we do not know" about fasting versus non-fasting than reach a confident answer that nobody can support when asked. Go to post

Answering the fasting versus non-fasting question as asked, then the question I think is meant. As asked: yes, with the qualification below. As meant: it depends on how the first measurement was taken.

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WoodhouseTL2Member20 Jul 2026#74
dietitian_hollis, post #55: Repeat before acting is standard practice for an isolated abnormal result on most analytes, and it is standard for a reason. Go to post

Nobody has said the unglamorous part of fasting versus non-fasting yet, so: most of the variation is explained by things that are boring to write about and easy to check.

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g.verhoevenTL222 Jul 2026#75

This follows post #72 rather than contradicting it.

A trend needs at least three points to be a trend. Two points are a line and a line through noise is still a line.

Take the reasoning and check the arithmetic; I do not always get it right.

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r.scholtenTL2Member23 Jul 2026#76

This is the answer, and the reason it is the answer is the more useful part.

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o.nybergTL224 Jul 2026#77
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ZieglerTL3Regular26 Jul 2026#78
footnote_entry, post #50: Reframing fasting versus non-fasting slightly, because I think the disagreement is about the question rather than the answer. If the question is "does it happen", yes. If it is "how often", nobody here knows. Go to post

Repeat before acting is standard practice for an isolated abnormal result on most analytes, and it is standard for a reason.

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i.grimaldiTL227 Jul 2026#79

Where I have landed on fasting versus non-fasting, having got it wrong once in public: the direction is clear, the magnitude is not, and anyone quoting a precise magnitude has borrowed it from somewhere that did not measure it.

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