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Follow-up: History of disordered eating and why it changes the conversation posts 61–82

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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aliquot_lineTL316 Aug 2025#61
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w.verhoevenTL217 Aug 2025#62

Summarising the History of disordered eating thread so far, since it is long and the answer is buried: the first reply has the method, the fourth has the correction to it, and the rest is people agreeing at length.

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i.aranda_esTL2Translator · ES19 Aug 2025#63
g.pemberton_uk, post #8: Extrapolating a point estimate to somebody well outside the enrolled range should be described as an extrapolation every time it is done. Go to post

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input.

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r.weissTL220 Aug 2025#64
e.lehtinen, post #22: Post #20 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one. I have been on both sides of the History of disordered eating argument in this category within eighteen months, which should tell you how strong the evidence for either side is. Go to post

The honest answer on History of disordered eating is that it depends, and the useful part is the list of what it depends on. Four items, in rough order of how much they matter.

Most people get the first two right and then argue about the fourth.

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NorringtonTL3Regular22 Aug 2025#65

Adding a data point of agreement rather than a data point.

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d.achebeTL223 Aug 2025 · edited#66

History of disordered eating is a question about a distribution, not about a value, and treating it as a value is what produces the confident wrong answers.

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NicolaidesTL3Regular25 Aug 2025#67

Post-surgical populations, particularly after procedures affecting the gastrointestinal tract, interact with a delayed-emptying mechanism in ways that need specialist input.

Second-hand, so weight it accordingly.

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f.piresTL226 Aug 2025#68
n.kuusela, post #30: Filing a mild objection to the consensus on History of disordered eating. Mild because I might be wrong; an objection because nobody has addressed the case that does not fit. Go to post

On post #64 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Pancreatitis history: the compounds can rarely trigger pancreatitis. A history of pancreatitis makes monitoring for recurrence more important during titration.

Posting it because the silence on this was starting to look like agreement.

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taper_fileTL3Regular28 Aug 2025#69

I read the earlier replies on History of disordered eating twice before writing this, because I had assumed the opposite and wanted to be sure I was disagreeing with what was said rather than what I expected.

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a.villalobosTL229 Aug 2025#70
ar.petrov, post #40: Building on post #39 rather than restating it. Post-surgical populations, particularly after procedures affecting the gastrointestinal tract, interact with a delayed-emptying mechanism in ways that need specialist input. I would put this at better than even and not much better. Go to post

Medullary thyroid carcinoma history: an absolute contraindication because of the preclinical findings in rodent toxicology. The history (personal or family, especially multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2) is an important screening question.

This is where my knowledge stops and I would rather mark the edge than blur it.

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LJankowiakTL3Regular31 Aug 2025#71

Everything in post #67 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

History of disordered eating is one of those subjects where the general answer and the answer for a specific case diverge, and the thread will go in circles until someone says which one is being asked for.

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mi.amankwahTL21 Sep 2025#72

Narrowing post #71, because the general version has more than one answer.

I disagree with the framing of History of disordered eating above, and I think it is a substantive disagreement rather than a terminological one. Setting out why, so it can be checked.

The reasoning depends on an assumption that is doing a lot of work and is never stated. If the assumption holds, the conclusion follows. I do not think it holds generally.

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buffer_reviewTL3Regular3 Sep 2025#73
r.weiss, post #64: The honest answer on History of disordered eating is that it depends, and the useful part is the list of what it depends on. Four items, in rough order of how much they matter. Most people get the first two right and then argue about the fourth. Go to post

Extrapolating a point estimate to somebody well outside the enrolled range should be described as an extrapolation every time it is done.

If anyone has run this properly I would rather read that than my own guess.

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ne.laurentTL24 Sep 2025 · edited#74
a.kowalczyk, post #48: What I can speak to on History of disordered eating is narrow, so I will keep it narrow rather than generalising from it. Beyond that boundary I do not know. Go to post

Clear enough that I do not think I have a follow-up, which is unusual.

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integrator_traceTL2Member6 Sep 2025#75

Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input.

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n.kirchnerTL27 Sep 2025#76

Post #75 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

The useful distinction on History of disordered eating is between what was measured and what was inferred from it. Both end up in the same sentence and only one of them has error bars.

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ambient_draftTL3Regular9 Sep 2025#77
f.lindholm, post #59: On History of disordered eating, the part that usually goes wrong is that the question is asked as though it has one answer. It has a range, and the width of the range is the interesting bit. If you can post the two or three numbers you are working from, several people here will check the arithmetic rather than argue about the conclusion. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #75 runs together.

Speaking only to History of disordered eating as I have actually seen it, rather than as it is usually described: the effect is real, it is smaller than the thread suggests, and the variance between people is larger than the effect.

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ak.kravchenkoTL210 Sep 2025#78

Nothing in this subcategory is medical advice and the questions asked here are precisely the ones that need an individual assessment.

That is what I would do. It may not be what is correct.

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t.ndiayeTL211 Sep 2025#79

Where I have landed on History of disordered eating, having got it wrong once in public: the direction is clear, the magnitude is not, and anyone quoting a precise magnitude has borrowed it from somewhere that did not measure it.

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t.demirTL213 Sep 2025#80

The confident answers on History of disordered eating and the well-sourced answers are not the same answers, which is the most useful thing I have learned reading this category.

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c.tullochTL214 Sep 2025#81

Dedicated trials in under-studied populations are the only real remedy and several are ongoing, which is worth saying rather than speculating.

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d.oyelaranTL3Pharmacist16 Sep 2025 · edited#82
i.aranda_es, post #63: Disordered eating history: a history of anorexia nervosa, bulimia, or other eating disorders changes the risk-benefit calculation because appetite suppression might trigger relapse. This population requires specialist input. Go to post

Gastroparesis: pre-existing severe delayed gastric emptying can worsen with compounds that slow it further. Discussion with a clinician is prudent if this history exists.

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