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Journal club: SUSTAIN 6 and its retinopathy signal — does this still hold? posts 61–67

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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cohort_watchTL2Member23 Mar 2025#61

I have been on both sides of the SUSTAIN 6 argument in this category within eighteen months, which should tell you how strong the evidence for either side is.

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a.coelhoTL225 Mar 2025#62
DOdendaal, post #48: The most common failure mode is spending fifty minutes on the effect size and ten on the population. Reversing that ratio would improve most sessions. The uncertainty is in the assumption, not in the calculation. Go to post

One caution on SUSTAIN 6: everything above assumes the underlying documentation is what it claims to be. That assumption is doing real work and is rarely stated.

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k.bettencourtTL2Member26 Mar 2025#63
b.brandt, post #35: Worth separating SUSTAIN 6 as a question about the compound from SUSTAIN 6 as a question about the documentation. They get answered by different people and only one of them is answerable here. Go to post

Answering the question post #59 raises rather than the one it answers.

The baseline characteristics table is the single most useful page for the questions that get asked here, because it tells you who the result applies to.

I would be glad to be shown a cleaner way of putting this.

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t.brandtTL228 Mar 2025#64

The arithmetic in post #63 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Whatever the answer on SUSTAIN 6 turns out to be, the method for getting there is the same: state the assumption, do the arithmetic in public, invite the correction.

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a.westergaardTL3Regular30 Mar 2025#65

The thing about SUSTAIN 6 that took me longest to accept is that a plausible mechanism is not evidence of an effect. It is a reason to look, not a result.

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c.falkTL21 Apr 2025 · edited#66

Fine by me. I had wanted a stronger conclusion and there is not one available.

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septum_entryTL2Member2 Apr 2025#67
integrator_log, post #44: The baseline characteristics table is the single most useful page for the questions that get asked here, because it tells you who the result applies to. Go to post

Post #63 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

Where the group cannot agree, record the disagreement rather than resolving it by seniority. The recorded disagreement is more honest and more useful later.

The answer changed when I changed how I was measuring, which was informative.

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