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Reporting a discrepancy without making an allegation posts 61–90

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n.moreauTL27 Sep 2024 · edited#61
c.okafor, post #48: Reports of ordinary results are more valuable than reports of remarkable ones, precisely because only the remarkable ones get posted elsewhere. The general case is well covered; this is the awkward specific one. Go to post

An honest declaration on reporting a discrepancy: I have a prior here and it is strong enough that you should weight what I say downward. Stating it rather than hiding it.

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j.steinerTL27 Sep 2024#62

Reporting a discrepancy is worth one more sentence than it usually gets, and the sentence is the one about how the number was arrived at.

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a.reyesTL4 Admin8 Sep 2024#63

Acknowledging rather than arguing. The reasoning holds as far as I can follow it.

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m.brobergTL28 Sep 2024#64
m.nwosu, post #30: Post #27 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it. Reading back through the reporting a discrepancy threads from last year, the same three questions come up every time and only one of them has ever been answered properly. That seems like a documentation gap rather than a knowledge gap. Go to post

Coming back to post #62, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Photograph the vial and the label before opening. It costs ten seconds and it is what turns a report into something checkable.

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s.leclercTL4 Moderator9 Sep 2024#65
f.danquah, post #45: Fair, and the limits you put on it are the part I will remember. Go to post

Taking post #64 at face value and following it one step further.

An update on my earlier reporting a discrepancy post: the pattern held for another six weeks and then stopped, which I did not predict and cannot explain.

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m.ibarraTL210 Sep 2024#66

Distinguishing three things in the reporting a discrepancy discussion that keep getting used interchangeably: the observation, the proposed mechanism, and the recommendation that gets attached to both.

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ms_hollowayTL4Mass spectrometrist10 Sep 2024#67

Reports of ordinary results are more valuable than reports of remarkable ones, precisely because only the remarkable ones get posted elsewhere.

Written quickly, so the reasoning may be tighter than the wording.

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y.adebayoTL211 Sep 2024#68

I read post #66 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

If the supplier was asked about a discrepancy, include what they said verbatim rather than summarised. The wording of a response is informative.

I have written this out at length because the short version keeps being misread.

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a.norgaardTL212 Sep 2024#69
m.ramos, post #1: On the subject in the title: Reporting a discrepancy without making an allegation Working notes rather than a conclusion. Asking about reporting a discrepancy directly, because I have read four threads on it and each answered a slightly different question. The version I want answered is the narrow one: given the method stated below, is… Go to post

Do not adjust a reported figure. Post what the laboratory said and put your interpretation in a separate sentence.

It took me longer than it should have to see that.

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trough_indexTL3Regular12 Sep 2024 · edited#70
eire_reader, post #16: Something worth flagging about reporting a discrepancy: the strongest-sounding claims in this thread are the ones with no source attached, which is the usual pattern and not a coincidence. Go to post

Post #66 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

On reporting a discrepancy the community has more anecdote than the confidence in this thread implies, and I include my own contribution in that.

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a.wikstromTL213 Sep 2024#71
s.girard, post #47: Dosing and purity: a vial that is 99% pure might contain 80% of its label claim if the other mass is water, counter-ion, and excipient. Purity and content are different. Both matter for different reasons. That is the shape of it. The detail is where I would expect to be corrected. Go to post

Adding what did not work for me on reporting a discrepancy, since the failures never get written up and they are half the useful information.

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j.mwangiTL4 Moderator13 Sep 2024#72

Building on post #69 rather than restating it.

The cost of a submission is worth stating. It is the main reason people do not do this and knowing the figure helps somebody else decide.

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c.ramosTL214 Sep 2024#73

Dosing and purity: a vial that is 99% pure might contain 80% of its label claim if the other mass is water, counter-ion, and excipient. Purity and content are different. Both matter for different reasons.

The short answer was in the first line; everything after is the working.

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j.castellanosTL215 Sep 2024#74
c.ramos, post #73: Dosing and purity: a vial that is 99% pure might contain 80% of its label claim if the other mass is water, counter-ion, and excipient. Purity and content are different. Both matter for different reasons. The short answer was in the first line; everything after is the working. Go to post

The claim about reporting a discrepancy upthread is stronger than its source supports. I have read the source. The source says "associated with" and the post says "causes".

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j.vogelTL215 Sep 2024 · edited#75
r.jhannsdttir, post #42: A note on how reporting a discrepancy gets discussed rather than on reporting a discrepancy itself: the confident posts get the replies and the careful ones get ignored, and the careful ones have been right more often. Go to post

The documentation on reporting a discrepancy is better than this thread and I say that as someone who has posted in the thread.

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retention_indexTL216 Sep 2024#76
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m.adeyemiTL216 Sep 2024#77

Everything in post #73 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

Do not adjust a reported figure. Post what the laboratory said and put your interpretation in a separate sentence.

I keep a log of this specifically because memory is unreliable about it.

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chromatogramTL4Analytical chemist17 Sep 2024#78

Reports of ordinary results are more valuable than reports of remarkable ones, precisely because only the remarkable ones get posted elsewhere.

Worth saying I have only my own numbers here, and n is small.

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e.silvaTL218 Sep 2024#79

Reporting a discrepancy has a well-known answer and a correct answer, and the interesting work is establishing that they are the same. Nobody has done that here yet.

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l.ferreiraTL218 Sep 2024#80

Photograph the vial and the label before opening. It costs ten seconds and it is what turns a report into something checkable.

One more caveat and then I will stop qualifying: the sample selected itself.

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k.asanteTL219 Sep 2024#81

Picking up post #78: that is the part I would want checked first.

The cost of a submission is worth stating. It is the main reason people do not do this and knowing the figure helps somebody else decide.

I would be glad to be shown a cleaner way of putting this.

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crossref_checkTL319 Sep 2024#82
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n.kravchenkoTL220 Sep 2024 · edited#83
a.pereira, post #3: Confirming post #2 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person. Do not adjust a reported figure. Post what the laboratory said and put your interpretation in a separate sentence. Go to post

Selective submission and selective reporting are the two easiest ways for a result to be shaped, and blinding addresses the first while a commitment to post addresses the second.

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c.okaforTL3Regular21 Sep 2024#84
k.ogunleye, post #22: Taking reporting a discrepancy seriously for a moment rather than deflecting: the honest position is that the community has observations and no controlled comparison, and those two things support very different sentences. Go to post

Quietly grateful for the plain phrasing. Not every thread gets that.

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i.wojcikTL221 Sep 2024#85

This follows post #83 rather than contradicting it.

Two people in this thread mean different things by reporting a discrepancy and are disagreeing about the definition while believing they are disagreeing about the facts. Worth pausing to define it.

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bench_entryTL3Regular22 Sep 2024#86

The version of reporting a discrepancy that circulates here is a simplification of a simplification. It is not wrong, but it has lost the conditions under which it holds, and those conditions are where the interesting cases live.

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j.falkTL222 Sep 2024#87

Reports of ordinary results are more valuable than reports of remarkable ones, precisely because only the remarkable ones get posted elsewhere.

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VPoulsenTL3Regular23 Sep 2024#88
a.hartmann, post #32: Building on post #29 rather than restating it. Dosing and purity: a vial that is 99% pure might contain 80% of its label claim if the other mass is water, counter-ion, and excipient. Purity and content are different. Both matter for different reasons. That has been true for the cases I have seen and I have not seen many. Go to post

I have no financial interest in anything named in this thread and I want to say so before I comment on reporting a discrepancy, because it is the sort of subject where it matters.

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f.lindholmTL223 Sep 2024#89
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integrator_logTL3Regular24 Sep 2024#90
f.danquah, post #45: Fair, and the limits you put on it are the part I will remember. Go to post

If the supplier was asked about a discrepancy, include what they said verbatim rather than summarised. The wording of a response is informative.

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