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g.pemberton_ukTL3Regional · UK20 Apr 2025#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Reverting an edit that had no revision note Everything below is what sits behind that.

Reverting an edit: setting out the arithmetic in full, because I have had to do it twice and I would rather nobody else did.

Every step is shown. If the answer is wrong the error will be visible, which is the point of writing it out rather than posting the result.

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a.villalobosTL230 Apr 2025#2

Last maintenance note: the limitations section is the part most likely to be skipped and the part most likely to matter. It belongs above the examples, not at the bottom under a heading people scroll past.

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DSakamotoTL3Regular7 May 2025#3

An honest declaration on reverting an edit: I have a prior here and it is strong enough that you should weight what I say downward. Stating it rather than hiding it.

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a.molnarTL213 May 2025#4
g.pemberton_uk, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Reverting an edit that had no revision note Everything below is what sits behind that. Reverting an edit: setting out the arithmetic in full, because I have had to do it twice and I would rather nobody else did. Every step is shown. If the answer is wrong the error will be visible, which is… Go to post

Reverting an edit is worth one more sentence than it usually gets, and the sentence is the one about how the number was arrived at.

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NorringtonTL3Regular19 May 2025 · edited#5
a.villalobos, post #2: Last maintenance note: the limitations section is the part most likely to be skipped and the part most likely to matter. It belongs above the examples, not at the bottom under a heading people scroll past. Go to post

Careful with that. A short duplicated paragraph is sometimes better than a link, because the reader who needs it is mid-task and will not follow a link. The test is whether it can drift out of step.

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d.achebeTL224 May 2025#6

Support the scoping edit. A number in a maintained document gets quoted without its context roughly forever, so the context has to be inside the sentence rather than in the paragraph above it.

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DKwiatkowskiTL3Regular29 May 2025#7

Fine by me. I had wanted a stronger conclusion and there is not one available.

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h.krastevTL23 Jun 2025#8
a.villalobos, post #2: Last maintenance note: the limitations section is the part most likely to be skipped and the part most likely to matter. It belongs above the examples, not at the bottom under a heading people scroll past. Go to post

Everything in post #6 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

Small methodological point on reverting an edit: repeating a measurement is cheap and resolves most of what is being argued about here at no cost to anyone.

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aliquot_lineTL3Regular8 Jun 2025#9

The practical version of reverting an edit is three sentences long. The rigorous version is three pages and reaches the same conclusion with the conditions attached.

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w.verhoevenTL213 Jun 2025#10

That matches how I use it. The general statement is what you check afterwards, not what you arrive for.

That has held every time I have looked, which is not the same as always.

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ar.petrovTL217 Jun 2025#11

Answering the question post #9 raises rather than the one it answers.

An observation about reverting an edit that I cannot explain and am posting anyway, on the principle that unexplained observations are more useful public than private.

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r.scholtenTL2Member22 Jun 2025#12
a.villalobos, post #2: Last maintenance note: the limitations section is the part most likely to be skipped and the part most likely to matter. It belongs above the examples, not at the bottom under a heading people scroll past. Go to post

The arithmetic in post #9 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

My understanding of reverting an edit is a few years old and may have been superseded. If it has been, I would genuinely like to know rather than keep repeating it.

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g.verhoevenTL226 Jun 2025#13

Revision disputes: if you disagree with an edit a maintainer made, discussing it here invites resolution rather than conflict.

I checked the source rather than the summary, and they differ.

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ZieglerTL3Regular1 Jul 2025#14

Agreed. The revision notes are the only history a reader gets, so they are part of the document rather than metadata about it.

That is the honest state of it as of this week.

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o.nybergTL25 Jul 2025#15

Everything in post #13 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

Reverting an edit has a well-known answer and a correct answer, and the interesting work is establishing that they are the same. Nobody has done that here yet.

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diluent_watchTL2Member9 Jul 2025#16
a.molnar, post #4: Reverting an edit is worth one more sentence than it usually gets, and the sentence is the one about how the number was arrived at. Go to post

Edit made and noted: replaced an approximate figure with the published one and cited it. The approximation was not wrong, but a document that can cite should cite.

The step people skip is the one I have spelled out.

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dr_okonkwoTL4 Moderator13 Jul 2025#17
Staff post. Actions described here are recorded in the public moderation log and may be challenged in Meta.

Maintenance note. This document is due for review and the maintainer has asked for a second reader before the date rather than after it. If you use this page regularly, this is the moment your objection is cheapest to act on.

That much is documented. The rest is how I have interpreted it.

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k.vanheckeTL221 Jul 2025#19
a.villalobos, post #2: Last maintenance note: the limitations section is the part most likely to be skipped and the part most likely to matter. It belongs above the examples, not at the bottom under a heading people scroll past. Go to post

Proposing an edit rather than making one, because it changes a number. The figure in the third paragraph is right for the licensed formulation and is being read as general. I would add four words scoping it.

A single observation, in a thread that deserves better than single observations.

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k.fonsecaTL225 Jul 2025#20
dr_okonkwo, post #17: Maintenance note. This document is due for review and the maintainer has asked for a second reader before the date rather than after it. If you use this page regularly, this is the moment your objection is cheapest to act on. That much is documented. The rest is how I have interpreted it. Go to post

I changed my mind about reverting an edit after someone here asked me for the source and I could not produce one. That is worth saying out loud because it is the ordinary way it happens.

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n.vukovicTL229 Jul 2025#21

Edit made and noted: replaced an approximate figure with the published one and cited it. The approximation was not wrong, but a document that can cite should cite.

I would put the burden of proof on the interesting explanation, not the dull one.

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mira.patelTL4 Admin2 Aug 2025#22
Staff post. Actions described here are recorded in the public moderation log and may be challenged in Meta.

Maintenance note. This document is due for review and the maintainer has asked for a second reader before the date rather than after it. If you use this page regularly, this is the moment your objection is cheapest to act on.

Marking that as an opinion rather than a finding.

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