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Revisiting: German, French and Dutch differences, compared posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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HHidalgoTL2Member9 Jun 2025#31

Taking German seriously for a moment rather than deflecting: the honest position is that the community has observations and no controlled comparison, and those two things support very different sentences.

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s.teixeiraTL212 Jun 2025#32

The reason German keeps being re-asked is that the answer is conditional and people quote it without the condition. It is not that the answer is unknown.

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g.valckenaereTL3Regular14 Jun 2025#33
impurity_table, post #27: Fine by me. I had wanted a stronger conclusion and there is not one available. Go to post

Post #31 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

Pharmacy practice: pharmacies in different EU countries differ in conservatism about irregular prescriptions. Some will decline a prescription they consider irregular; others will not. Local pharmacy culture matters.

Correct me on the arithmetic if it is wrong; I would rather know.

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st.dialloTL217 Jun 2025#34

Adding the measurement that post #31 says would settle it.

Reading back through the German threads from last year, the same three questions come up every time and only one of them has ever been answered properly. That seems like a documentation gap rather than a knowledge gap.

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d.szymanskiTL3Wiki editor19 Jun 2025#35

What I would want before treating German as settled: the method, the sample, and whether anyone tried to find the opposite result. Two of the three are usually missing.

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m.mwangiTL222 Jun 2025 · edited#36
t.karlsen, post #2: Counterpoint on German, offered without confidence: the same observation is consistent with a much duller explanation, and nobody has ruled the dull one out. Go to post

Nothing here is medical or legal advice, and this subcategory in particular attracts questions where that matters.

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KAnderssonTL3Regular24 Jun 2025#37
impurity_table, post #27: Fine by me. I had wanted a stronger conclusion and there is not one available. Go to post

That is a fair summary of where the discussion has got to.

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m.ilungaTL227 Jun 2025#38

The arithmetic in post #35 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Answering the German question as asked, then the question I think is meant. As asked: yes, with the qualification below. As meant: it depends on how the first measurement was taken.

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policy_readerTL2Regular29 Jun 2025#39
journalclub_wren, post #7: Post #4 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Members outside the union should note that essentially none of this transfers, including the parts phrased generally. That is what the documentation says. What happens in practice is usually close. Go to post

I read post #35 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Parallel distribution is a real mechanism and produces packaging that looks unfamiliar for legitimate reasons.

I would not lead a decision with this, but I would not ignore it either.

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f.rasmussenTL22 Jul 2025#40

I have no financial interest in anything named in this thread and I want to say so before I comment on German, because it is the sort of subject where it matters.

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c.lundgrenTL24 Jul 2025#41

Building on post #40 rather than restating it.

Genuine question rather than a rhetorical one: has anyone here actually observed German, as opposed to read about it? The thread is long and I cannot tell.

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n.nybergTL27 Jul 2025#42

Prescription status is harmonised at the level of the authorisation and the practical route to a prescription is not.

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m.lehtinenTL29 Jul 2025#43
HHidalgo, post #31: Taking German seriously for a moment rather than deflecting: the honest position is that the community has observations and no controlled comparison, and those two things support very different sentences. Go to post

Practical answer on German, since the theoretical one is upthread: do the simplest check first, write down the result, and only then decide whether the complicated explanation is needed. It usually is not.

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c.cardosoTL212 Jul 2025#44
n.nyberg, post #42: Prescription status is harmonised at the level of the authorisation and the practical route to a prescription is not. Go to post

Everything in post #42 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

Date every claim. Positions in this subcategory have moved repeatedly and the archive keeps posts permanently.

That is one dataset and I would not build a rule on it.

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f.sjobergTL214 Jul 2025#45

Taking post #44 at face value and following it one step further.

Nothing here is medical or legal advice, and this subcategory in particular attracts questions where that matters.

Anyone who has looked at this more carefully, please correct the record.

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dr_okonkwoTL4 Moderator17 Jul 2025#46

Post #42 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

The version of German that circulates here is a simplification of a simplification. It is not wrong, but it has lost the conditions under which it holds, and those conditions are where the interesting cases live.

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j.fonsecaTL219 Jul 2025#47

Agreed on German, with one qualification that I think matters. The reasoning holds for the case as described. Change the starting assumption and it does not, and the starting assumption is the part nobody states.

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PharmNotes_WhitfieldTL4Pharmacist21 Jul 2025 · edited#48
f.rasmussen, post #40: I have no financial interest in anything named in this thread and I want to say so before I comment on German, because it is the sort of subject where it matters. Go to post

Helpful, and easy to find again, which is half of what a good reply is.

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cohort_watchTL2Member24 Jul 2025#49

Regional stock held inside the union removes a customs question entirely for intra-union movement, which is a practical difference rather than a legal opinion.

Adding it in case it saves somebody the afternoon it cost me.

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ra.mensaTL226 Jul 2025#50

If someone has run German properly I would rather read that than my own reconstruction of it. Posting mine only because the thread has gone quiet.

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bench_notesTL4 Moderator28 Jul 2025#51

The thing about German that took me longest to accept is that a plausible mechanism is not evidence of an effect. It is a reason to look, not a result.

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v.baptistaTL231 Jul 2025#52

Post #49 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Correcting a stale claim here is more valuable than adding a new one, because the stale claims are what people find first.

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f.villalobosTL22 Aug 2025#53
KAndersson, post #37: That is a fair summary of where the discussion has got to. Go to post

German: I have looked for the primary source twice and failed twice. Either it does not exist or it is somewhere I do not know to look, and I would like to know which.

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t.pereiraTL24 Aug 2025#54

Posting my German numbers with the method attached so they can be discounted properly. Uncontrolled, unblinded, and collected by someone who wanted a particular answer.

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n.abernathyTL3Analytical chemist7 Aug 2025#55

A device-and-compound combination has one authorisation and two supply chains, and the device is more often the limiting one.

That is the practical version. The rigorous version is longer and says the same thing.

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n.kuuselaTL29 Aug 2025 · edited#56

Careful with the language on German. "Not detected" and "not present" are different findings and the first is a statement about the method.

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PharmNotes_WhitfieldTL4Pharmacist11 Aug 2025#57
st.diallo, post #34: Adding the measurement that post #31 says would settle it. Reading back through the German threads from last year, the same three questions come up every time and only one of them has ever been answered properly. That seems like a documentation gap rather than a knowledge gap. Go to post

Nothing to add, except that this is the answer I would give if asked.

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s.cabreraTL213 Aug 2025#58

On German the community has more anecdote than the confidence in this thread implies, and I include my own contribution in that.

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k.chukwuTL216 Aug 2025#59

Shortage notifications are published both centrally and nationally and the two do not always agree, usually because they are describing different things.

Reading it again, the caveat matters more than the finding.

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f.fenwickTL3Regular18 Aug 2025#60

I would keep German and the decision it usually gets used for separate in this thread. They are related and they are not the same question, and merging them is why the last one went badly.

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