The Peptide CommonsEst. May 2024
Independent. We sell nothing and are affiliated with no manufacturer or pharmacy. Every moderation action is logged in public
Compounds · Retatrutide · continued

Second pass at: Retatrutide dose escalation in the published trials posts 121–126

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

MA
m.almeidaTL224 Jul 2024#121

Taking post #120 at face value and following it one step further.

Triple agonism: is the effect additive, synergistic, or neither? A phase 2 comparison of tirzepatide (dual) to retatrutide (triple) would answer that question. The published data does not include such a direct comparison.

15 likes 2y
KB
k.brandl_deTL3Translator · DE24 Jul 2024#122
two_year_line, post #10: Post #7 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Practical note on Retatrutide dose escalation: write down what you expect before you look. The number of times I have found what I went looking for is higher than chance would allow. Go to post

Why this subcategory is more cautious than elsewhere: retatrutide is investigational, phase 3 is ongoing, and the heart-rate signal in phase 2 is not negligible. Caution is proportionate to the evidence status.

29 likes in reply to #10 2y
VB
v.bruunTL224 Jul 2024#123
n.norgaard, post #51: Post #48 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Retatrutide dose escalation has been discussed here with more heat than it deserves, mostly because two definitions have been in play the whole time. Go to post

Fair, and the limits you put on it are the part I will remember.

0 likes in reply to #51 2y
DB
d.bramleyTL3Regular24 Jul 2024#124

What I would tell a new member reading about Retatrutide dose escalation for the first time: the confident posts are not the reliable ones, and the reliable ones are longer.

3 likes 2y
RL
r.lundgrenTL224 Jul 2024#125

The hepatic-steatosis rationale follows directly from glucagon receptor agonism promoting fat oxidation in the liver. Mechanistic plausibility in this field has a poor record of predicting clinical outcomes, which is why the trials matter more than the mechanism.

I am confident about the direction and much less about the magnitude.

10 likes 2y
DM
d.moreauTL2Regular24 Jul 2024#126

Mass and identity: a report on retatrutide should state the mass detected by LC-MS, not assume a theoretical mass. The theoretical mass is not published in peer-reviewed literature for retatrutide at present.

If that is already documented somewhere, ignore me and link it.

22 likes 2y

Suggested topics

TopicParticipantsRepliesViewsActivity
Second pass at: Retatrutide mass and identity: what a report should show
Second pass at: Retatrutide mass and identity: what a report should show — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. Two things I would like separated before anyone answers on…
CBTNNAFEKK+65 71 4.6k 13mo
Revisiting: Hepatic effects of glucagon receptor agonism: the mechanistic worry
Revisiting: Hepatic effects of glucagon receptor agonism: the mechanistic worry Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. A methods question rather than a substantive…
HFITVAKLV+10 14 8.4k 16h
About the Retatrutide category
Triple GIP/GLP-1/glucagon receptor agonist. Phase 2 data, TRIUMPH programme, and cautious practical discussion. This post is a community wiki: any member at trust level 3 or above can edit it, and every edit…
BNKCDTAMO 4 12k 2y
Retatrutide phase 2 in type 2 diabetes: the Lancet paper
On the subject in the title: Retatrutide phase 2 in type 2 diabetes: the Lancet paper Working notes rather than a conclusion. Asking about retatrutide phase 2 in type on behalf of the question I keep seeing…
SVDSNBOOMP+12 16 50k 12mo
Follow-up: The retatrutide phase 2 obesity paper, read closely
The retatrutide phase 2 obesity paper, read closely — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. A follow-up question about retatrutide phase 2 obesity paper that I did not know to…
JBZOCRJATV+19 23 16k 2d

Related topics — sharing the tags retatrutide, randomised trial, preprint

TopicParticipantsRepliesViewsActivity
Run-in periods and the population they select
On the subject in the title: Run-in periods and the population they select Working notes rather than a conclusion. An honest uncertainty about run-in periods rather than a disguised assertion. I do not know…
DOEVABANLG+130 142 7.3k 1mo
Why tirzepatide titration schedules have more steps than semaglutide's
Asking directly, because I could not find a straight answer: Why tirzepatide titration schedules have more steps than semaglutide's I have spent a fortnight trying to pin tirzepatide titration schedules down…
IGRHBISJS 4 8.4k 7mo
Why oral semaglutide needs an absorption enhancer at all — one year on
Why oral semaglutide needs an absorption enhancer at all — one year on — that is the question, and I have not found it answered plainly anywhere I have looked. Reading back through what has been written here…
SCSOOFJREF+11 15 17k 24d
SURPASS-2 and the comparator dose question that will not go away
SURPASS-2 and the comparator dose question that will not go away — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. A methods question rather than a substantive one, about SURPASS-2.…
EFWNFWCLJF+101 111 1.5k 18mo
Journal club: SELECT, absolute risk, and how it was reported — a second dataset
On the subject in the title: Journal club: SELECT, absolute risk, and how it was reported — a second dataset Working notes rather than a conclusion. Posting a small dataset on SELECT. It is mine, it is…
VKJBFNAITH 4 1.3k 1mo