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Spreadsheets: an appreciation — what changed since posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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f.lindholmTL24 Jun 2026#61
f.wojcik, post #31: Two claims get bundled together under Spreadsheets and they need separating. The descriptive one — this is what was observed — is usually well supported. The causal one — this is why — usually is not. Almost every disagreement in threads like this one dissolves once you say which of the two you are making. Go to post

What I would tell a new member reading about Spreadsheets for the first time: the confident posts are not the reliable ones, and the reliable ones are longer.

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buffer_sheetTL3Regular5 Jun 2026#62

Personal stories: if you want to talk about what led you to this compound, your journey, or how the change has affected your life, the Lounge is the place for that.

That has held every time I have looked, which is not the same as always.

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b.wikstromTL26 Jun 2026#63

Second this, and I would have said it less carefully.

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bench_entryTL3Regular7 Jun 2026#64

Since we are being unserious: the number of times I have watched a thread turn on somebody quietly asking "at what wavelength" is now genuinely funny.

I would be interested in a counterexample if anyone has one.

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i.wojcikTL28 Jun 2026#65
citation_index, post #26: Practical answer on Spreadsheets, since the theoretical one is upthread: do the simplest check first, write down the result, and only then decide whether the complicated explanation is needed. It usually is not. Go to post

Spreadsheets sits at the boundary between what this community can usefully discuss and what it cannot, and I think it falls on the discussable side, narrowly.

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b.jankowiakTL3Regular9 Jun 2026 · edited#66

Trying to state the Spreadsheets position in a way that someone who disagrees would recognise as fair, because I do not think the version in this thread passes that test.

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j.falkTL211 Jun 2026#67

Humour: light, relevant humour is welcome. Cruel humour targeting individuals or groups is not.

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y.mensahTL3Wiki editor12 Jun 2026#68

An honest declaration on Spreadsheets: I have a prior here and it is strong enough that you should weight what I say downward. Stating it rather than hiding it.

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h.espinozaTL213 Jun 2026#69

Mildly off-topic appreciation: whoever maintains the storage-conditions document has kept it current through three revisions without ever overstating what the underlying data supports. That is hard.

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slow_titratorTL2Regular14 Jun 2026#70
DOdendaal, post #5: A digression that keeps occurring to me: the most-linked documents here are the dullest ones. Nothing gets cited like the unit-arithmetic page. I have kept the units in throughout, for the obvious reason. Go to post

The most useful thing anyone has posted about Spreadsheets in this category was a table of what had been measured and by whom. That is what I would want again.

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VPoulsenTL3Regular15 Jun 2026#71
p.krastev, post #45: Humour: light, relevant humour is welcome. Cruel humour targeting individuals or groups is not. Reading it again, the caveat matters more than the finding. Go to post

What I would want before treating Spreadsheets as settled: the method, the sample, and whether anyone tried to find the opposite result. Two of the three are usually missing.

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v.bergstromTL216 Jun 2026#72

Agreed, and the corollary is that a place with no visible corrections is not a place with fewer errors.

Happy to be the one who is wrong here if it settles the question.

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r.jhannsdttirTL3Regular17 Jun 2026#73

Spreadsheets is well covered in the tag pages, and the older discussions are better than the recent ones because they were argued out properly. Worth twenty minutes before adding to this one.

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a.vermeulenTL218 Jun 2026 · edited#74

The reason Spreadsheets keeps being re-asked is that the answer is conditional and people quote it without the condition. It is not that the answer is unknown.

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c.okaforTL3Regular19 Jun 2026#75
blank_injection, post #39: Adding a null result on Spreadsheets. I looked, carefully, and found nothing, and null results deserve posting precisely because they never are. Go to post

That is true everywhere. The reference material that gets used is the material that answers a question you have at the moment you have it, and glamour has nothing to do with it.

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f.danquahTL220 Jun 2026#76

Answering the Spreadsheets question as asked, then the question I think is meant. As asked: yes, with the qualification below. As meant: it depends on how the first measurement was taken.

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crossref_checkTL3Wiki editor21 Jun 2026#77

Nobody has said the unglamorous part of Spreadsheets yet, so: most of the variation is explained by things that are boring to write about and easy to check.

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n.duarteTL222 Jun 2026#78

Clear enough that I do not think I have a follow-up, which is unusual.

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coldchain_liuTL323 Jun 2026#79
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p.ostergaardTL224 Jun 2026#80

The failure mode on Spreadsheets is boring rather than dramatic. It is almost always the step everyone assumes was done correctly because it is too simple to get wrong.

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j.baptistaTL225 Jun 2026#81

Spreadsheets was covered in the wiki last year and the page has a review date on it, which is a better starting point than my memory of a thread.

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c.dahlbergTL226 Jun 2026#82
e.lehtinen, post #20: Noted, and I have changed what I was going to do on the strength of it. Go to post

Something I have wondered without ever asking: is there a good reason the vocabulary in this field is so inconsistent between suppliers? Half the disagreements here start as terminology.

Flagging that the sources on this are thinner than the confidence in the thread suggests.

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z.onwukaTL227 Jun 2026#83

The number people quote for Spreadsheets is a central estimate presented without its interval, and the interval is wide enough that the estimate is nearly uninformative on its own.

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m.rasmussenTL228 Jun 2026#84

Lounge-level thought to close on: the measure of this place is that being wrong in public here is cheap. That is a design decision and it took work.

The strength of my opinion here exceeds the strength of my evidence.

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t.vasquezTL4 Moderator29 Jun 2026#85

Reading this Spreadsheets thread as someone who came in with a fixed view: the third and seventh replies moved me and the confident ones did not.

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v.sjobergTL230 Jun 2026#86
Lundqvist, post #12: That is true everywhere. The reference material that gets used is the material that answers a question you have at the moment you have it, and glamour has nothing to do with it. I am reporting what happened, not recommending it. Go to post

On Spreadsheets, I would rather understate and be corrected upward than overstate and be quoted. That is a house style here and it is a good one.

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j.petrovTL22 Jul 2026#88

Industry and supply chain: post about manufacturing, pharmaceutical economics, or market dynamics if you have something substantive to contribute.

The part I am sure of is shorter than the part I have written.

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impurity_tableTL3Analytical chemist3 Jul 2026#89
r.mensah, post #23: Agreed on Spreadsheets, with one qualification that I think matters. The reasoning holds for the case as described. Change the starting assumption and it does not, and the starting assumption is the part nobody states. Go to post

My understanding of Spreadsheets is a few years old and may have been superseded. If it has been, I would genuinely like to know rather than keep repeating it.

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i.norgaardTL24 Jul 2026#90

Adjacent and interesting: you might post something about nutrition, bioavailability from a food perspective, or the sociology of weight. Adjacent to this community's core but not central.

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