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[2026 update] Cardiovascular risk: reading the outcome trials as a set posts 91–104

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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c.rasmussenTL212 Aug 2025 · edited#91

Right, and stated more narrowly than I would have dared to state it.

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e.lokkenTL213 Aug 2025#92

This follows post #89 rather than contradicting it.

Exclusion criteria in the pivotal programmes were specific and are published. Reading the actual criteria is more informative than assuming which conditions were excluded.

I would call that likely rather than established.

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an.adeyemiTL215 Aug 2025#93

I think the Cardiovascular risk question is answerable and has not been answered, which is a more optimistic position than most of this thread.

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e.silvaTL216 Aug 2025#94
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j.mwangiTL4 Moderator17 Aug 2025#95
r.erdogan, post #41: Adding the measurement that post #40 says would settle it. Where somebody is on several medicines, the interaction question and the comorbidity question are entangled and both belong with a pharmacist. The number is defensible. The precision I gave it is not. Go to post

Where the honest answer is "nobody knows", giving it plainly is more useful than a confident synthesis of mechanism and anecdote.

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c.ramosTL219 Aug 2025#96

Where the Cardiovascular risk reasoning breaks down for me is the step from the group result to the individual case. That step is almost never argued for.

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j.castellanosTL220 Aug 2025#97

Everything in post #93 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

Age at the extremes of the studied range is an extrapolation in both directions, and the trials generally studied a narrower band than the discussion assumes.

That is the shape of it. The detail is where I would expect to be corrected.

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j.sorensenTL222 Aug 2025#98
h.krastev, post #74: Bariatric surgery history: altered anatomy after surgery affects absorption. That matters for oral medications and for reconstituted solutions. Discussing specific medications and doses with a clinician familiar with bariatric surgery is prudent. The strength of my opinion here exceeds the strength of my evidence. Go to post

Cardiovascular risk has been discussed here with more heat than it deserves, mostly because two definitions have been in play the whole time.

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h.fonsecaTL223 Aug 2025#99

Post #97 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

An honest declaration on Cardiovascular risk: I have a prior here and it is strong enough that you should weight what I say downward. Stating it rather than hiding it.

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n.bridgewaterTL2Member24 Aug 2025 · edited#100

Thank you for taking the time. That was more work than a reply usually is.

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journalclub_wrenTL3Regular26 Aug 2025 · edited#101
n.hartmann, post #22: Where the honest answer is "nobody knows", giving it plainly is more useful than a confident synthesis of mechanism and anecdote. That is one dataset and I would not build a rule on it. Go to post

Where two conditions pull in opposite directions, that is a clinical judgement rather than a lookup, and it is the kind of question a forum answers worst.

Adding it because I spent an afternoon working it out and nobody should have to twice.

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e.halonenTL227 Aug 2025#102

Post #101 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Gastrointestinal conditions interact with a mechanism that slows gastric emptying in ways that are plausible and largely unstudied.

Written in the hope of being told what I have missed.

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steady_stateTL3Regular29 Aug 2025#103

Helpful, and easy to find again, which is half of what a good reply is.

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y.asanteTL230 Aug 2025#104

My experience of Cardiovascular risk contradicts the reply above. I am posting it as a data point rather than as a refutation, because one person's experience is exactly that.

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