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Evidence · Study critique · continued

[2026 update] Confounding by indication, explained with a concrete example posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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citation_indexTL2Member17 Feb 2026#61
g.oyelaran, post #37: Adding the measurement that post #36 says would settle it. Generalisability: do the inclusion/exclusion criteria narrow the population so much that results do not apply to real people asking about it? This is a fair criticism but requires specificity about which real people and why the difference matters. Adding a source would improve… Go to post

Surrogate endpoints are not automatically bad and their validity is compound-specific and population-specific. The question is whether this surrogate has been validated for this use.

For what it is worth, the same held on the two occasions I checked.

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a.kravchenkoTL217 Feb 2026#62
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GSwinburneTL1Member18 Feb 2026#63

I read post #61 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Building consensus on which criticisms matter: if everyone agrees that the sample size is small but only you think that affects the conclusion, maybe your criticism is more idiosyncratic. That does not make it wrong but it is worth noticing.

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m.oyelaranTL218 Feb 2026#64

Statistical significance and clinical importance are different and both are needed. A significant difference below the minimal important difference is a real finding of no practical consequence.

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KStephanopoulosTL3Regular18 Feb 2026 · edited#65
v.bergstrom, post #33: Surrogate endpoints are not automatically bad and their validity is compound-specific and population-specific. The question is whether this surrogate has been validated for this use. Go to post

This settles it for me, at least until somebody posts a reason it should not.

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ar.kravchenkoTL219 Feb 2026#66

Multiple comparisons: if a paper reports many outcomes, the chance of a spurious association by random chance is real. Pre-specification of primary outcomes matters and secondary analyses are weaker evidence.

That is what the documentation says. What happens in practice is usually close.

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endpoint_marginTL2Member19 Feb 2026#67

Coming back to post #66, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Generalisability and validity are separate axes. A trial can be internally impeccable and still tell you nothing about the person asking.

Marking that as an opinion rather than a finding.

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b.teixeiraTL219 Feb 2026#68
a.jansen, post #49: Generalisability: do the inclusion/exclusion criteria narrow the population so much that results do not apply to real people asking about it? This is a fair criticism but requires specificity about which real people and why the difference matters. Where I would look next, rather than where I would stop. Go to post

Post #66 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Generalisability: do the inclusion/exclusion criteria narrow the population so much that results do not apply to real people asking about it? This is a fair criticism but requires specificity about which real people and why the difference matters.

I would put the burden of proof on the interesting explanation, not the dull one.

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MJayawardenaTL3Regular20 Feb 2026#69
bias_variance, post #56: Defending a paper against criticism: if the authors respond, they might clarify something the paper explained poorly. Their response might also miss your point. Either way, the exchange in public is more useful than quiet disagreement. That is all the detail I have. Someone else will have more. Go to post

On post #66 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Criticism is more useful when it is narrower. "The trial answers a different question from the one being asked" is actionable; "the trial is flawed" is not.

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r.coelhoTL220 Feb 2026#70
s.teixeira, post #41: Post #39 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction. Attrition is the failure mode most likely to invalidate a result and the least likely to be discussed. Differential attrition between arms is the specific thing to look for. Go to post

Hold a trial to the standard something could actually have met. A criticism that no achievable design could have answered is a criticism of the field rather than of the paper.

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w.moreauTL220 Feb 2026#71
compounding_ruth, post #52: Building consensus on which criticisms matter: if everyone agrees that the sample size is small but only you think that affects the conclusion, maybe your criticism is more idiosyncratic. That does not make it wrong but it is worth noticing. Go to post

Picking up post #68: that is the part I would want checked first.

The pre-specified endpoint being a weaker proxy than you would like is a real criticism. It is a smaller one than saying the result was chosen after the fact.

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taper_shiftTL3Regular21 Feb 2026#72

Attrition is the failure mode most likely to invalidate a result and the least likely to be discussed. Differential attrition between arms is the specific thing to look for.

Adding the caveat now so it does not have to be extracted later.

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so.mbekiTL221 Feb 2026#73

Multiple comparisons: if a paper reports many outcomes, the chance of a spurious association by random chance is real. Pre-specification of primary outcomes matters and secondary analyses are weaker evidence.

Noting that I have skin in this question and have tried to discount for it.

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WickramasingheTL2Member21 Feb 2026#74
integrator_log, post #38: Defending a paper against criticism: if the authors respond, they might clarify something the paper explained poorly. Their response might also miss your point. Either way, the exchange in public is more useful than quiet disagreement. Not the answer, but possibly the question that gets there. Go to post

Generalisability: do the inclusion/exclusion criteria narrow the population so much that results do not apply to real people asking about it? This is a fair criticism but requires specificity about which real people and why the difference matters.

A weak preference rather than a position.

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p.onwukaTL222 Feb 2026#75

Criticism is more useful when it is narrower. "The trial answers a different question from the one being asked" is actionable; "the trial is flawed" is not.

Reporting the observation and leaving the explanation open deliberately.

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l.aaltonenTL3Regular22 Feb 2026#76

Building consensus on which criticisms matter: if everyone agrees that the sample size is small but only you think that affects the conclusion, maybe your criticism is more idiosyncratic. That does not make it wrong but it is worth noticing.

I am aware this is the third time this month I have made this point.

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k.karlsenTL222 Feb 2026#77

Confounding: in observational data, is there a third variable that explains the apparent association? In randomised data, randomisation should balance unknown confounders, though known confounders can be adjusted for.

This is the version I would want a new member to read first.

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h.nicolaidesTL3Regular23 Feb 2026#78
HHidalgo, post #48: Thank you for taking the time. That was more work than a reply usually is. Go to post

I had written a reply contradicting post #74 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

Hold a trial to the standard something could actually have met. A criticism that no achievable design could have answered is a criticism of the field rather than of the paper.

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v.malinowskiTL223 Feb 2026 · edited#79
KAndersson, post #42: Per-protocol and intention-to-treat analyses answer different questions and neither is the honest one by default. Reporting both is the practice worth insisting on. Go to post

The pre-specified endpoint being a weaker proxy than you would like is a real criticism. It is a smaller one than saying the result was chosen after the fact.

I have separated what I observed from what I concluded, which does not always happen.

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NLoughranTL3Regular23 Feb 2026#80
m.achebe, post #60: Post #56 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction. Per-protocol and intention-to-treat analyses answer different questions and neither is the honest one by default. Reporting both is the practice worth insisting on. This is the sort of thing the wiki should carry and currently does not. Go to post

Answering the question post #78 raises rather than the one it answers.

A run-in period that excludes non-responders before randomisation changes what the trial is estimating. It is legitimate design and it must be stated in any summary.

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l.wikstromTL224 Feb 2026#81

Surrogate endpoints are not automatically bad and their validity is compound-specific and population-specific. The question is whether this surrogate has been validated for this use.

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v.nascimentoTL224 Feb 2026#82

Taking post #79 at face value and following it one step further.

Per-protocol and intention-to-treat analyses answer different questions and neither is the honest one by default. Reporting both is the practice worth insisting on.

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j.baptistaTL224 Feb 2026#83

A criticism that would apply equally to every trial in the field is worth stating once and is not a reason to discount a particular paper.

Worth one more sentence than it usually gets.

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c.dahlbergTL225 Feb 2026#84
e.dalgleish, post #21: I had written a reply contradicting post #17 and deleted it. Here is what survived. Per-protocol and intention-to-treat analyses answer different questions and neither is the honest one by default. Reporting both is the practice worth insisting on. Go to post

Statistical significance and clinical importance are different and both are needed. A significant difference below the minimal important difference is a real finding of no practical consequence.

Small point, but it is the one that usually catches people.

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i.coelhoTL225 Feb 2026 · edited#85

Defending a paper against criticism: if the authors respond, they might clarify something the paper explained poorly. Their response might also miss your point. Either way, the exchange in public is more useful than quiet disagreement.

That is the version I would defend. It is not the version I started with.

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d.petrescuTL225 Feb 2026#86

Generalisability and validity are separate axes. A trial can be internally impeccable and still tell you nothing about the person asking.

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j.hartmannTL225 Feb 2026#87

That reframing is the whole thing. The facts I already had.

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PSkarbekTL3Regular26 Feb 2026#88
f.fenwick, post #13: Confounding: in observational data, is there a third variable that explains the apparent association? In randomised data, randomisation should balance unknown confounders, though known confounders can be adjusted for. Go to post

Multiple comparisons: if a paper reports many outcomes, the chance of a spurious association by random chance is real. Pre-specification of primary outcomes matters and secondary analyses are weaker evidence.

That distinction has done more work for me than anything else in this category.

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b.restrepoTL226 Feb 2026#89

A criticism that would apply equally to every trial in the field is worth stating once and is not a reason to discount a particular paper.

The evidence for this is thinner than the way I have phrased it suggests.

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buffer_marginTL3Regular26 Feb 2026#90

Statistical significance and clinical importance are different and both are needed. A significant difference below the minimal important difference is a real finding of no practical consequence.

On reflection I would soften that slightly.

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