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A request that was declined, and the reasoning — a second dataset posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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a.cardosoTL212 Aug 2025#61

Name a willing maintainer in the request. Point three of the criteria stops more nominations than the other three combined.

Old habit: I write down the expected answer before I calculate it.

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LJankowiakTL3Regular12 Aug 2025#62

Request a new maintained page: if a question recurs, has a good marked solution, and contains a worked example, it is a candidate for promotion to a maintained documentation page. Post your nomination in this subcategory with a link to the topic.

I have said this before in a thread nobody could find, so it is worth repeating.

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sa.vogelTL212 Aug 2025#63
bias_variance, post #10: Confirming post #9 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person. Link the topics that prompted the request. The discussion is the evidence that the question recurs. Adding it because I spent an afternoon working it out and nobody should have to twice. Go to post

On post #61 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Format suggestions: if you think a maintained page could be clearer in its presentation (different section structure, different examples, added graphics) suggest the change.

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buffer_reviewTL3Regular12 Aug 2025#64

Picking up post #61: that is the part I would want checked first.

Documents that are mostly a worked example age better than documents that are mostly a summary, because the arithmetic does not change.

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k.adeyemiTL212 Aug 2025#65

Accessibility feedback: if you have trouble accessing or reading a maintained page (screen reader issues, contrast problems, small text) report it. Accessibility matters.

I have no interest in any supplier named above.

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t.steenkampTL2Member12 Aug 2025 · edited#66

Post #65 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Documents that are mostly a worked example age better than documents that are mostly a summary, because the arithmetic does not change.

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mi.amankwahTL212 Aug 2025#67
k.redgrave, post #17: Post #14 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Requests for a page summarising a supplier are declined, because that is what the vendor documentation set is for and it has its own standards. It is one reading of the data and not the only reasonable one. Go to post

Same experience here, different supplier, so it is at least not unique to one of them.

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ambient_draftTL3Regular12 Aug 2025#68

The most useful requests here identify a specific confusion that keeps recurring rather than a subject that seems important.

I would put this at better than even and not much better.

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c.nybergTL213 Aug 2025#69

Where I part company with post #65, and it is a narrow parting.

Suggesting content for a page: if you know a maintained page is missing something important, post a suggestion with specific content you think should be added.

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l.sarkissianTL2Member13 Aug 2025#70
m.strand_rph, post #19: The commonest reason a good request stalls is that nobody converted it into a draft. A rough draft attracts editors; a request does not. Go to post

Format suggestions: if you think a maintained page could be clearer in its presentation (different section structure, different examples, added graphics) suggest the change.

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w.verhoevenTL213 Aug 2025#71
n.szabo, post #58: If a request is declined, the reasoning is written down, and it is worth reading because it usually describes a better version of the same idea. I would want the raw data before agreeing with my own summary of it. Go to post

Objections to a request belong in the open, and a request that survives an objection is a stronger page for it.

I have seen it go both ways, which is why I hedge.

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NicolaidesTL3Regular13 Aug 2025#72
isotonic_sheet, post #4: Objections to a request belong in the open, and a request that survives an objection is a stronger page for it. This is the sort of thing that ought to be settled and apparently is not. Go to post

That matches what I have seen, for whatever a single anecdote is worth.

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sa.rasmussenTL213 Aug 2025#73

Requests for a page summarising a supplier are declined, because that is what the vendor documentation set is for and it has its own standards.

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s.grigorescuTL2Member13 Aug 2025 · edited#74

Post #70 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

Requests for a document covering something the evidence does not support get declined, and the decline usually points at what could be written instead.

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e.kuipersTL213 Aug 2025#75

Confirming post #73 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Scope the request narrowly. A page about one thing gets written and stays current; a page about a field does not.

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lyophil_marginTL3Regular13 Aug 2025#76
w.verhoeven, post #71: Objections to a request belong in the open, and a request that survives an objection is a stronger page for it. I have seen it go both ways, which is why I hedge. Go to post

Link the topics that prompted the request. The discussion is the evidence that the question recurs.

I would put a moderate confidence on that and no more.

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g.tammTL213 Aug 2025#77

Say what would make the page wrong. A page whose failure conditions are stated is much easier to review honestly.

It is the kind of thing that is obvious once and never again.

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NorringtonTL3Regular13 Aug 2025 · edited#78

The most useful requests here identify a specific confusion that keeps recurring rather than a subject that seems important.

Where I would look next, rather than where I would stop.

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an.ibarraTL214 Aug 2025#79

Suggesting content for a page: if you know a maintained page is missing something important, post a suggestion with specific content you think should be added.

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s.chowdhuryTL3Regular14 Aug 2025#80
mi.amankwah, post #67: Same experience here, different supplier, so it is at least not unique to one of them. Go to post

Post #78 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

A request that says what the page should not cover is unusually helpful, because scope creep is what kills these.

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NicolaidesTL3Regular14 Aug 2025#81
s.karlsen_rph, post #42: Post #39 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Format suggestions: if you think a maintained page could be clearer in its presentation (different section structure, different examples, added graphics) suggest the change. Go to post

Where a request is for a translation or a regional version, the maintenance burden doubles and the proposal should say who carries it.

Written quickly, so the reasoning may be tighter than the wording.

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v.stanescuTL214 Aug 2025#82
k.brandl_de, post #24: Objections to a request belong in the open, and a request that survives an objection is a stronger page for it. It took me longer than it should have to see that. Go to post

A calculator request and a document request are different things, and a calculator without a document explaining it is worse than neither.

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aliquot_lineTL3Regular14 Aug 2025#83

Post #79 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Accessibility feedback: if you have trouble accessing or reading a maintained page (screen reader issues, contrast problems, small text) report it. Accessibility matters.

Not a conclusion. A place to stand while looking for one.

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e.nilsenTL214 Aug 2025#84

Taking post #83 at face value and following it one step further.

Format suggestions: if you think a maintained page could be clearer in its presentation (different section structure, different examples, added graphics) suggest the change.

I have written this out at length because the short version keeps being misread.

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KTurkingtonTL3Regular14 Aug 2025#85
v.klausen, post #53: Where a request is for a translation or a regional version, the maintenance burden doubles and the proposal should say who carries it. Written in the hope of being told what I have missed. Go to post

Documents that are mostly a worked example age better than documents that are mostly a summary, because the arithmetic does not change.

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a.mwangiTL214 Aug 2025#86

The commonest reason a good request stalls is that nobody converted it into a draft. A rough draft attracts editors; a request does not.

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cannula_driftTL3Regular14 Aug 2025#87

Second this, and I would have said it less carefully.

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sa.vogelTL214 Aug 2025#88

Documents that are mostly a worked example age better than documents that are mostly a summary, because the arithmetic does not change.

That is the shape of it. The detail is where I would expect to be corrected.

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h.mbekiTL215 Aug 2025#89

Answering the question post #88 raises rather than the one it answers.

Suggesting content for a page: if you know a maintained page is missing something important, post a suggestion with specific content you think should be added.

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b.solbergTL215 Aug 2025#90
f.sjoberg, post #45: Accessibility feedback: if you have trouble accessing or reading a maintained page (screen reader issues, contrast problems, small text) report it. Accessibility matters. That is one dataset and I would not build a rule on it. Go to post

The arithmetic in post #88 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

The most useful requests here identify a specific confusion that keeps recurring rather than a subject that seems important.

I would rather post the uncertainty than round it away.

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