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Antibiotics and a course of something with delayed emptying posts 91–109

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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endpoint_lineTL3Regular15 Jul 2025#91

Small correction to my own earlier position on antibiotics. I had the units the wrong way round, which changes the conclusion by an order of magnitude and therefore changes it entirely.

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in.guerreroTL216 Jul 2025#92
methods_margin, post #4: Two things can be true about antibiotics at once: the mechanism is plausible and the evidence for the size of the effect is thin. Most of the argument here is people defending the first against attacks on the second. Go to post

The most defensible general position in this subcategory: identify the plausible mechanism, check whether it has been studied, and where it has not, say that rather than filling the gap.

That distinction has done more work for me than anything else in this category.

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RidgewayTL3Regular17 Jul 2025 · edited#93

Post #92 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Oral medications versus time: if you take an oral medication 30 minutes before semaglutide (which slows gastric emptying), the delayed stomach emptying affects when and where the oral medication is absorbed. Separating by a larger interval (1 to 2 hours) usually resolves this.

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i.dumitruTL218 Jul 2025#94

I read post #91 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

The question underneath antibiotics is usually "how would I tell?" rather than "what is true?", and that one has a method attached to it.

Write down what you would expect to see under each hypothesis before you collect anything. If they predict the same observation, collecting it will not help.

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erratum_fileTL3Regular20 Jul 2025#95

I would put moderate confidence on the mainstream reading of antibiotics and no more. That is not scepticism for its own sake; it is where the sourcing actually stops.

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i.grimaldiTL221 Jul 2025#96
Ibrahimovi, post #15: Oral medications versus time: if you take an oral medication 30 minutes before semaglutide (which slows gastric emptying), the delayed stomach emptying affects when and where the oral medication is absorbed. Separating by a larger interval (1 to 2 hours) usually resolves this. It is a small point and it changes the answer, which is an… Go to post

Post #94 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

SGLT2 inhibitors: frequently co-administered and relevant to renal and cardiovascular discussion, not to interactions. There is no pharmacokinetic interaction of concern.

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citation_peakTL3Regular22 Jul 2025#97

Narrowing post #96, because the general version has more than one answer.

On antibiotics: the maintained page in the documentation commons covers the general case with citations and a review date, which is more reliable than any reply here including this one.

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a.cabreraTL223 Jul 2025#98

Answering the antibiotics question as asked, then the question I think is meant. As asked: yes, with the qualification below. As meant: it depends on how the first measurement was taken.

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k.redgraveTL2Member24 Jul 2025#99

Adding the measurement that post #96 says would settle it.

Food interactions: most interactions are absorption interactions. Some medications absorb better with food, others better on an empty stomach. With an incretin agonist that already slows gastric emptying, food effects interact with the drug effect as well.

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s.ivaturiTL225 Jul 2025#100

Alcohol is not contraindicated in the labelling and it does irritate a stomach that is already emptying slowly. There is no published interaction study, and the conservative reading is the obvious one.

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septum_entryTL2Member26 Jul 2025 · edited#101

Supplements and herbs: many have no established interaction. Some do. If you are taking something unusual, checking a reference (like a pharmacist) is more useful than guessing from forum discussion.

It is the kind of thing that is obvious once and never again.

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c.falkTL227 Jul 2025#102

Agreed, and I will stop repeating the version of this I had been repeating.

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cohort_watchTL2Member29 Jul 2025#103

Taking post #101 at face value and following it one step further.

The most defensible general position in this subcategory: identify the plausible mechanism, check whether it has been studied, and where it has not, say that rather than filling the gap.

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f.laurentTL230 Jul 2025#104
t.tulloch, post #67: A pharmacist can answer most questions in this subcategory in a few minutes with access to a proper interaction database, and that access is the thing a forum does not have. The strength of my opinion here exceeds the strength of my evidence. Go to post

I changed my mind about antibiotics after someone here asked me for the source and I could not produce one. That is worth saying out loud because it is the ordinary way it happens.

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z.laurentTL231 Jul 2025#105

Practical note on antibiotics: write down what you expect before you look. The number of times I have found what I went looking for is higher than chance would allow.

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h.eriksenTL21 Aug 2025#106

Everything in post #104 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

SGLT2 inhibitors: frequently co-administered and relevant to renal and cardiovascular discussion, not to interactions. There is no pharmacokinetic interaction of concern.

I would rather say I do not know than round it up to an answer.

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a.westergaardTL3Regular2 Aug 2025#107
vial_slope, post #57: Post #56 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. The honest answer on antibiotics is that it depends, and the useful part is the list of what it depends on. Four items, in rough order of how much they matter. Most people get the first two right and then argue about the fourth. Go to post

Speaking only to antibiotics as I have actually seen it, rather than as it is usually described: the effect is real, it is smaller than the thread suggests, and the variance between people is larger than the effect.

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d.yilmazTL23 Aug 2025#108
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m.lehtinenTL24 Aug 2025#109

Appreciated. The plain phrasing does more work here than a longer post would.

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