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Dead volume across syringe and needle combinations posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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b.jankowiakTL3Regular29 Nov 2025 · edited#31

Post #29 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Needle length for subcutaneous delivery is a question about tissue depth and injection angle together. Short needles at ninety degrees and longer ones at an angle reach comparable depths.

Correct me on the arithmetic if it is wrong; I would rather know.

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j.falkTL22 Dec 2025#32

Taking post #29 at face value and following it one step further.

Adding a reference point for dead volume across syringe. Mine is a single case, collected without controls, and I am posting the method alongside it so it can be discounted appropriately.

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y.mensahTL3Wiki editor4 Dec 2025#33

I would call the community position on dead volume across syringe likely rather than established, and I would be comfortable defending that hedge.

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h.espinozaTL26 Dec 2025#34
j.falk, post #5: That is the distinction I keep failing to hold on to. Written down now. Go to post

Reusing a needle blunts it and there is no benefit to offset that. The second injection with the same needle is the one people describe as painful.

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buffer_sheetTL3Regular8 Dec 2025#35
ppm_error, post #25: Dead volume: residual liquid in the hub and needle after withdrawal. Typical residual is 0.01 to 0.02 mL for an insulin syringe with a fixed needle. Accounting for it matters if precision matters. Go to post

If your calculated volume is under two graduations, choose a lower concentration rather than trying to read between marks. Precision comes from the preparation, not the eye.

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b.wikstromTL210 Dec 2025#36

This follows post #33 rather than contradicting it.

Safety-engineered needles are worth using if you have children or anyone else in the house, and the retraction mechanism occupies dead volume that ordinary syringes do not.

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bench_entryTL3Regular12 Dec 2025#37

Filter needles are for drawing from glass ampoules where particulate is a real risk. For a stoppered vial they add dead volume in exchange for very little.

That is the shape of it. The detail is where I would expect to be corrected.

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i.wojcikTL214 Dec 2025#38
c.okafor, post #2: Coring the stopper is a real phenomenon with repeated entries at the same point and blunt needles. Varying the entry point slightly and using a fresh needle prevents it. That is all the detail I have. Someone else will have more. Go to post

Practical answer on dead volume across syringe, since the theoretical one is upthread: do the simplest check first, write down the result, and only then decide whether the complicated explanation is needed. It usually is not.

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e.dalgleishTL3Regular16 Dec 2025#39

Coring the stopper is a real phenomenon with repeated entries at the same point and blunt needles. Varying the entry point slightly and using a fresh needle prevents it.

Happy to be corrected if someone holds better data than mine.

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s.salgadoTL218 Dec 2025#40

Seconded. It reads as careful rather than confident, which is the right register.

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r.bruunTL220 Dec 2025#41
n.cardoso, post #28: A definition problem is doing most of the work in this dead volume across syringe discussion. Once the term is pinned down I suspect the disagreement mostly goes away and what is left is small. Go to post

Building on post #38 rather than restating it.

On dead volume across syringe, the part that usually goes wrong is that the question is asked as though it has one answer. It has a range, and the width of the range is the interesting bit.

If you can post the two or three numbers you are working from, several people here will check the arithmetic rather than argue about the conclusion.

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h.oyelowoTL2Regular22 Dec 2025#42
i.wojcik, post #38: Practical answer on dead volume across syringe, since the theoretical one is upthread: do the simplest check first, write down the result, and only then decide whether the complicated explanation is needed. It usually is not. Go to post

A detachable luer needle plus hub can retain enough volume to matter. Whether it matters to you depends on your dose, and the arithmetic is worth doing once.

Someone will know this better than I do and I hope they say so.

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ch.correiaTL224 Dec 2025#43

The quoted dead-volume figures for common configurations vary between manufacturers and the ordering is stable: fixed needle least, luer with hub more, luer with filter needle most.

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sourced_claimsTL3Regular26 Dec 2025#44

Speaking only to dead volume across syringe as I have actually seen it, rather than as it is usually described: the effect is real, it is smaller than the thread suggests, and the variance between people is larger than the effect.

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j.bhattacharyaTL227 Dec 2025 · edited#45

Sharps containers are a legal requirement for disposal in several jurisdictions and a sensible precaution everywhere. A rigid sealed container is the minimum.

Worth checking against a second source before it gets quoted onward.

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quiet_lurkerTL2Regular29 Dec 2025#46
excursion_check, post #1: On the subject in the title: Dead volume across syringe and needle combinations Working notes rather than a conclusion. Something about dead volume across syringe does not reconcile and I would like a second pair of eyes before I decide which half is wrong. Two sources, both reputable, giving figures that cannot both be right unless… Go to post

A request rather than an answer: could whoever has the primary source for dead volume across syringe post it? I have seen the claim three times this month and each version had lost a qualifier.

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m.radichTL231 Dec 2025#47

Check what the graduations actually say rather than what you expect. A syringe marked in units and one marked in millilitres look similar at a glance and are not the same instrument.

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s.chowdhuryTL3Regular2 Jan 2026#48

Nothing to add, except that this is the answer I would give if asked.

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g.bakkenTL24 Jan 2026#49

Dead volume: residual liquid in the hub and needle after withdrawal. Typical residual is 0.01 to 0.02 mL for an insulin syringe with a fixed needle. Accounting for it matters if precision matters.

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sterile_tableTL3Regular6 Jan 2026#50
buffer_sheet, post #35: If your calculated volume is under two graduations, choose a lower concentration rather than trying to read between marks. Precision comes from the preparation, not the eye. Go to post

Syringe barrel size: common sizes are 0.3 mL, 0.5 mL, and 1.0 mL. Smaller barrels are more legible for small doses. Larger barrels hold larger volumes. Choose based on your dose.

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t.vargaTL28 Jan 2026 · edited#51

Needle gauge: smaller numbers (30G) are finer and less painful. Larger numbers (25G) are courser. For subcutaneous injection, 27-30G is typical. Finer needles take longer to draw up but hurt less.

I would treat that as a working assumption and revisit it.

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methods_draftTL2Member10 Jan 2026#52

Confirming post #51 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Sharps containers are a legal requirement for disposal in several jurisdictions and a sensible precaution everywhere. A rigid sealed container is the minimum.

On balance I think that is right, and I would not bet much on it.

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br.wikstromTL212 Jan 2026#53

That reframing is the whole thing. The facts I already had.

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gradient_reviewTL2Member13 Jan 2026#54
h.oyelowo, post #42: A detachable luer needle plus hub can retain enough volume to matter. Whether it matters to you depends on your dose, and the arithmetic is worth doing once. Someone will know this better than I do and I hope they say so. Go to post

Needle length: typical lengths for subcutaneous injection are 4-6 mm (short), 8 mm (standard), or 10-12 mm (longer). Longer needles are needed for deeper tissue or if you have abdominal adiposity.

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an.zamoraTL215 Jan 2026#55

Insulin syringe graduations: U-100 syringes are marked in units where 100 units = 1 mL. Always confirm your syringe is U-100. Confusion between insulin units and milligrams is the most common syringe error.

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RodriguesTL3Regular17 Jan 2026#56

Fixed versus detachable needles: insulin syringes usually have fixed needles (no dead volume loss to the hub). Luer-lock syringes use detachable needles (more dead volume). Fixed needles are preferred for small doses.

The literature is thinner on this than the confidence in the thread implies.

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k.ogunleyeTL219 Jan 2026#57
t.varga, post #51: Needle gauge: smaller numbers (30G) are finer and less painful. Larger numbers (25G) are courser. For subcutaneous injection, 27-30G is typical. Finer needles take longer to draw up but hurt less. I would treat that as a working assumption and revisit it. Go to post

On post #55 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Barrel size determines resolution and nothing else. A 0.3 mL barrel and a 1 mL barrel deliver the same volume equally well; the smaller one lets you see what you are delivering.

It took me longer than it should have to see that.

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SHermansenTL221 Jan 2026#58
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r.novakTL223 Jan 2026#59

Fixed-needle insulin syringes have the least dead volume of any common configuration. At small doses that difference is a measurable fraction of what you meant to deliver.

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o.abrahamsenTL3Regular24 Jan 2026#60

If your calculated volume is under two graduations, choose a lower concentration rather than trying to read between marks. Precision comes from the preparation, not the eye.

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