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Distinguishing a deletion sequence by mass alone

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n.moreauTL2 Solution20 Jan 2025#5

Tandem mass spectrometry: MS/MS fragments the molecular ion and uses fragment masses to confirm identity and detect modifications. A simple identity confirmation by LC-MS does not address post-translational modifications or impurities with the same or very close mass.

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s.hartmannTL226 Jan 2025#19
ms_holloway, post #3: Response in electrospray is not proportional to abundance across different species. Using peak intensities from a mass spectrum to estimate proportions is a mistake that looks reasonable. Adding a source would improve this post and I do not have one to hand. Go to post

Taking post #18 at face value and following it one step further.

Sample preparation for mass spectrometry can itself introduce modifications, particularly oxidation. A finding at trace level may be telling you about the preparation rather than the material.

The general case is well covered; this is the awkward specific one.

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b.brandtTL227 Jan 2025#23

Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory.

Flagging that the sources on this are thinner than the confidence in the thread suggests.

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customs_ledgerTL3Regular1 Feb 2025#40
b.brandt, post #23: Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory. Flagging that the sources on this are thinner than the confidence in the thread suggests. Go to post

The honest summary of what a mass result buys you: it narrows the field of what the material could be, considerably. It never closes it, and no certificate should be read as though it had.

I have kept the units in throughout, for the obvious reason.

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d.szymanskiTL3Wiki editor6 Feb 2025#57

That is a fair summary of where the discussion has got to.

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e.vargaTL27 Feb 2025#60
i.wojcik, post #37: Adding the measurement that post #36 says would settle it. A request rather than an answer: could whoever has the primary source for distinguishing a deletion sequence post it? I have seen the claim three times this month and each version had lost a qualifier. Go to post

Monoisotopic and average mass are different numbers and both appear on documents. At this molecular weight the difference is a few daltons, which is more than the tolerance being claimed.

Stating my assumptions rather than smuggling them in.

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outline_firstTL3Wiki editor9 Feb 2025#66

Sample preparation for mass spectrometry can itself introduce modifications, particularly oxidation. A finding at trace level may be telling you about the preparation rather than the material.

Same conclusion as the reply above, reached differently, which is mildly reassuring.

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GDashwoodTL3Regular12 Feb 2025#78

Adducts — sodium and potassium especially — shift the observed mass in predictable increments. A report showing an unexplained plus twenty-two is usually showing you a sodium adduct.

This is the version I would want a new member to read first.

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e.mensaTL217 Feb 2025#100
s.hartmann, post #19: Taking post #18 at face value and following it one step further. Sample preparation for mass spectrometry can itself introduce modifications, particularly oxidation. A finding at trace level may be telling you about the preparation rather than the material. The general case is well covered; this is the awkward specific one. Go to post

I have been on both sides of the distinguishing a deletion sequence argument in this category within eighteen months, which should tell you how strong the evidence for either side is.

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