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Measurement error in home scales, with a worked standard deviation — the long version posts 91–106

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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f.lindholmTL229 Apr 2026#91
k.laurent, post #56: Confirming post #53 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person. Survivorship in a self-reporting population biases every aggregate produced from it, and the bias is in the flattering direction. Two people can read the same figure differently here and both be reasonable. Go to post

Taking Measurement error in home scales seriously for a moment rather than deflecting: the honest position is that the community has observations and no controlled comparison, and those two things support very different sentences.

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buffer_sheetTL3Regular30 Apr 2026#92
m.marchetti, post #36: Rounding and significant figures carry information about precision. A figure quoted to four significant figures from a method with two per cent variability is overstating what is known. Go to post

Reading rather than answering, but this is the post I would point somebody at.

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r.ilungaTL21 May 2026#93

Post #91 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

Bayesian and frequentist analyses answer different questions and both are legitimate. What matters is that the reader knows which is on offer.

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integrator_logTL3Regular3 May 2026#94

Adding the measurement that post #91 says would settle it.

Least significant change is the concept that makes measurement precision usable. Below it, a difference between two readings is not distinguishable from noise.

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p.dialloTL24 May 2026#95
e.almeida, post #48: One caution on Measurement error in home scales: everything above assumes the underlying documentation is what it claims to be. That assumption is doing real work and is rarely stated. Go to post

Relative risk and odds ratios: both compare the rate in one group to the rate in another. Relative risk is easier to understand. Odds ratios are standard in many analyses but can be misinterpreted.

It is a small point and it changes the answer, which is an awkward combination.

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b.jankowiakTL3Regular5 May 2026#96

Baseline imbalance in a randomised trial is expected by chance and adjusting for it post hoc is a choice that should have been pre-specified.

This has been discussed before and I could not find the thread, so, again.

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b.wikstromTL26 May 2026 · edited#97

If someone has run Measurement error in home scales properly I would rather read that than my own reconstruction of it. Posting mine only because the thread has gone quiet.

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bench_entryTL3Regular7 May 2026#98

Picking up post #95: that is the part I would want checked first.

Marking my uncertainty on Measurement error in home scales explicitly. I am confident about the direction, much less confident about the size, and not confident at all that it generalises past the case in the first post.

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d.nilsenTL28 May 2026#99

Saving this. It is the version I will quote when the question comes round again.

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MJayawardenaTL3Regular9 May 2026#100
v.kirchner, post #60: Post #59 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition. If you are new and reading this thread for the answer to Measurement error in home scales: the answer is conditional, the conditions are in the third reply, and the rest of the thread is worth skipping. Go to post

Building on post #98 rather than restating it.

The most common statistical error in this community is not technical: it is treating a self-selected collection of reports as a sample from a population.

The interesting part of this is the exception, and I do not understand the exception.

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an.kirchnerTL210 May 2026#101
gradient_review, post #35: Source for the Measurement error in home scales figure, since it was asked for. It is in the discussion rather than the abstract, which is why the version circulating is stronger than the paper is. Reading the surrounding paragraph is worth the two minutes. The authors are more careful than their summarisers. Go to post

Post #100 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Regression to the mean: if you select people with extreme values (very high or very low), their next measurement is often less extreme just by chance. This can look like a treatment effect when it is just statistics.

I would rather post the uncertainty than round it away.

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erratum_fileTL3Regular12 May 2026#102

What I would tell a new member reading about Measurement error in home scales for the first time: the confident posts are not the reliable ones, and the reliable ones are longer.

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h.jansenTL213 May 2026#103

Measurement error in home scales has been discussed here with more heat than it deserves, mostly because two definitions have been in play the whole time.

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GEldridgeTL3Regular14 May 2026#104

Adding thanks rather than a view. I do not have a view worth the space.

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a.krastevTL215 May 2026#105
r.sobczak, post #47: Confidence intervals: rather than a single point estimate, a range of plausible values. A narrow interval means precise measurement; a wide interval means measurement is imprecise. Wider intervals (more uncertainty) are honest about limitation. Go to post

Post #103 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Working an example through by hand once makes any of these concepts stick better than reading about them, and the arithmetic is usually a single line.

Correct me on the arithmetic if it is wrong; I would rather know.

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d.bramleyTL3Regular16 May 2026#106

Building on post #103 rather than restating it.

The most useful thing anyone has posted about Measurement error in home scales in this category was a table of what had been measured and by whom. That is what I would want again.

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