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Revisiting: Bug report: the reconstitution calculator and a rounding edge case

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cohort_driftTL3Regular19 Nov 2024#1

Revisiting: Bug report: the reconstitution calculator and a rounding edge case — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

Posting the calculation with the inputs, so that somebody can disagree with a step rather than with the answer.

Inputs: 5 mg in 2 mL, target 1.0 mg, U-100 barrel. Working shown below in the order I did it.

I have checked it twice by the same route, which is not the same as checking it twice.

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j.marchettiTL222 Nov 2024#2

Nothing a calculator produces is medical advice, and a correct calculation on inappropriate inputs is still an inappropriate answer.

Written in the hope of being told what I have missed.

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figure_reviewTL2Member24 Nov 2024#3

Mass error checking: enter your observed mass and theoretical mass and check whether the difference in ppm is within reasonable bounds for your instrument. Useful sanity check on LC-MS results.

The variance between people here is larger than the effect being discussed.

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s.lindqvistTL225 Nov 2024#4

A saved calculation is worth more than a remembered one. Write down the inputs alongside the result, because the result alone is unverifiable a month later.

Speaking for myself and not for anyone else who has posted here.

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k.farrugiaTL3Regular27 Nov 2024#5

I read post #3 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

The most common input error is entering the vial mass in the concentration field. It produces a plausible number, which is why it survives.

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m.yildizTL228 Nov 2024#6
k.farrugia, post #5: I read post #3 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. The most common input error is entering the vial mass in the concentration field. It produces a plausible number, which is why it survives. Go to post

Post #3 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Storage lookup: which conditions (temperature, time) are you considering storing in, and how much stability loss is expected? The calculator gives a rough estimate based on typical stability data. Not a substitute for your compound's specific stability data.

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lyophil_marginTL3Regular30 Nov 2024 · edited#7
s.lindqvist, post #4: A saved calculation is worth more than a remembered one. Write down the inputs alongside the result, because the result alone is unverifiable a month later. Speaking for myself and not for anyone else who has posted here. Go to post

Following, with nothing to contribute beyond having asked the same thing elsewhere.

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a.amankwahTL21 Dec 2024#8

Tools that run entirely in the browser send nothing anywhere, which matters more to some people here than others and is worth stating either way.

Someone should write this up properly, and it should probably not be me.

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e.mikkelsenTL23 Dec 2024#9
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d.nwosuTL24 Dec 2024#10

Narrowing post #8, because the general version has more than one answer.

Unit-conversion tools are only as good as the assumption they make about the syringe. Ask what barrel and what graduation interval it assumed before trusting the units figure.

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f.abrahamsenTL25 Dec 2024#11
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ka.haddadTL26 Dec 2024#12
a.amankwah, post #8: Tools that run entirely in the browser send nothing anywhere, which matters more to some people here than others and is worth stating either way. Someone should write this up properly, and it should probably not be me. Go to post

Post #10 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Where a calculator and your own arithmetic disagree, the productive move is to find which step differs rather than to decide which is right.

That is the honest state of it as of this week.

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g.haalandTL3Regular7 Dec 2024#13

Appreciated. The plain phrasing does more work here than a longer post would.

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s.beaulieuTL29 Dec 2024#14

Precision and significant figures: the calculators do not round to match your input precision. If you input values to one decimal place, the output might have more. Use significant figures appropriate to your input precision.

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OkaforTL3Regular10 Dec 2024 · edited#15

Building on post #12 rather than restating it.

Dose equivalence calculator: compounds have different potencies. The calculator is provided with a caveat: "equivalence" is not precise and individual response varies. It is a rough starting point, not a dose prescription.

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il.dumitruTL211 Dec 2024#16

Significant figures in the output should not exceed what the inputs support. A concentration calculated from a nominal vial mass is not known to four decimal places.

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OTeixeiraTL3Regular12 Dec 2024#17
figure_review, post #3: Mass error checking: enter your observed mass and theoretical mass and check whether the difference in ppm is within reasonable bounds for your instrument. Useful sanity check on LC-MS results. The variance between people here is larger than the effect being discussed. Go to post

Mass error checking: enter your observed mass and theoretical mass and check whether the difference in ppm is within reasonable bounds for your instrument. Useful sanity check on LC-MS results.

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i.oseiTL213 Dec 2024#18

Why calculators are not medical advice: they do arithmetic. Medical decisions are not arithmetic. A calculator that says a certain dose is "compatible with" a certain body mass is not a prescription.

The step people skip is the one I have spelled out.

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a.kowalskiTL214 Dec 2024#19
k.farrugia, post #5: I read post #3 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. The most common input error is entering the vial mass in the concentration field. It produces a plausible number, which is why it survives. Go to post

Unit-conversion tools are only as good as the assumption they make about the syringe. Ask what barrel and what graduation interval it assumed before trusting the units figure.

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e.piresTL215 Dec 2024#20
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CFairweatherTL1Member16 Dec 2024 · edited#21

Fair, and the limits you put on it are the part I will remember.

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a.cabreraTL217 Dec 2024#22

Precision and significant figures: the calculators do not round to match your input precision. If you input values to one decimal place, the output might have more. Use significant figures appropriate to your input precision.

I would put the burden of proof on the interesting explanation, not the dull one.

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citation_peakTL3Regular18 Dec 2024#23

I read post #19 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Titration planning: a calculator that shows you the escalation schedule for different starting and ending doses can help you visualize your path. Actual path might be slower or adjusted for tolerability.

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s.ivaturiTL219 Dec 2024#24
d.nwosu, post #10: Narrowing post #8, because the general version has more than one answer. Unit-conversion tools are only as good as the assumption they make about the syringe. Ask what barrel and what graduation interval it assumed before trusting the units figure. Go to post

Post #23 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Maintaining a calculator means checking the arithmetic against hand-worked cases at each review, not checking that it still loads.

That is what the documentation says. What happens in practice is usually close.

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endpoint_lineTL3Regular21 Dec 2024#25
k.farrugia, post #5: I read post #3 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. The most common input error is entering the vial mass in the concentration field. It produces a plausible number, which is why it survives. Go to post

The most common input error is entering the vial mass in the concentration field. It produces a plausible number, which is why it survives.

The confident version of this sentence would be wrong, so here is the hedged one.

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i.dumitruTL222 Dec 2024#26

A saved calculation is worth more than a remembered one. Write down the inputs alongside the result, because the result alone is unverifiable a month later.

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RidgewayTL3Regular23 Dec 2024#27

Everything in post #23 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

Tools that run entirely in the browser send nothing anywhere, which matters more to some people here than others and is worth stating either way.

A single observation, in a thread that deserves better than single observations.

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s.demirTL224 Dec 2024#28

Reporting bugs: if you notice a calculator giving wrong results, report it in this subcategory. Bugs are fixed when identified.

I would be glad to be shown a cleaner way of putting this.

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l.aaltonenTL3Regular24 Dec 2024#29

Post #27 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

Do the arithmetic by hand the first few times, whatever tool you use afterwards. A calculator with a wrong input gives a confident wrong answer and there is nothing in the interface to tell you.

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p.onwukaTL225 Dec 2024 · edited#30

Adding the measurement that post #27 says would settle it.

Precision and significant figures: the calculators do not round to match your input precision. If you input values to one decimal place, the output might have more. Use significant figures appropriate to your input precision.

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