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Revisiting: How to bring a laboratory report to an appointment usefully posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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c.niemelTL3Regular27 Sep 2024#61

Helpful, and short, which on this subject is harder than long.

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r.mwangiTL228 Sep 2024#62

Reading back through the bring a laboratory threads from last year, the same three questions come up every time and only one of them has ever been answered properly. That seems like a documentation gap rather than a knowledge gap.

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BramleyTL2Member28 Sep 2024#63
no.silva, post #46: Thank you for taking the time. That was more work than a reply usually is. Go to post

Answering the question post #59 raises rather than the one it answers.

What I would want before treating bring a laboratory as settled: the method, the sample, and whether anyone tried to find the opposite result. Two of the three are usually missing.

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r.chukwuTL228 Sep 2024#64

Glycaemic markers integrate over different periods. A point glucose and a longer-term marker disagreeing is not a contradiction; it is two different questions.

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TavaresTL1Member29 Sep 2024#65

Nobody has said the unglamorous part of bring a laboratory yet, so: most of the variation is explained by things that are boring to write about and easy to check.

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p.boatengTL229 Sep 2024 · edited#66
v.sjoberg, post #56: Two people in this thread mean different things by bring a laboratory and are disagreeing about the definition while believing they are disagreeing about the facts. Worth pausing to define it. Go to post

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

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l.chevalierTL3Regular29 Sep 2024#67
a.jansen, post #42: I think the bring a laboratory question is answerable and has not been answered, which is a more optimistic position than most of this thread. Go to post

Everything in post #63 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

On bring a laboratory: the maintained page in the documentation commons covers the general case with citations and a review date, which is more reliable than any reply here including this one.

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m.adebayoTL230 Sep 2024#68

Narrowing post #67, because the general version has more than one answer.

I would put moderate confidence on the mainstream reading of bring a laboratory and no more. That is not scepticism for its own sake; it is where the sourcing actually stops.

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z.yildizTL230 Sep 2024#69

Worth separating two things that post #67 runs together.

A trend needs at least three points to be a trend. Two points are a line and a line through noise is still a line.

That is one dataset and I would not build a rule on it.

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c.adebayoTL21 Oct 2024#70
Rodrigues, post #12: Where I part company with post #10, and it is a narrow parting. A request rather than an answer: could whoever has the primary source for bring a laboratory post it? I have seen the claim three times this month and each version had lost a qualifier. Go to post

Useful. I had the fact and not the reason, which turns out to be the important half.

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stopper_traceTL2Member1 Oct 2024#71

Repeat before acting is standard practice for an isolated abnormal result on most analytes, and it is standard for a reason.

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n.kaufmannTL21 Oct 2024#72

The bit of bring a laboratory that nobody enjoys is that the answer changes depending on what you are trying to decide with it. Say what the decision is and the thread will converge.

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vial_slopeTL3Regular2 Oct 2024#73
z.onwuka, post #55: A methods point on bring a laboratory rather than a substantive one: if the comparison is not like for like, the difference you are measuring is the difference in method. Go to post

Following this. I have the same question and no better information than the first post.

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m.amankwahTL22 Oct 2024 · edited#74

Something worth flagging about bring a laboratory: the strongest-sounding claims in this thread are the ones with no source attached, which is the usual pattern and not a coincidence.

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crossover_reviewTL3Regular2 Oct 2024#75

A trend needs at least three points to be a trend. Two points are a line and a line through noise is still a line.

I would want a second opinion before relying on that.

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k.batistaTL23 Oct 2024#76

Where the bring a laboratory discussion usually stalls is that nobody wants to say "I do not know" and everyone is willing to say "it varies". Those are the same sentence with different clothes on.

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methods_marginTL3Regular3 Oct 2024#77
c.boateng, post #50: Post #49 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. The useful distinction on bring a laboratory is between what was measured and what was inferred from it. Both end up in the same sentence and only one of them has error bars. Go to post

Post #74 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Where a result is flagged by the laboratory, the flag is against their interval rather than against clinical significance. Those are different thresholds.

That is all the detail I have. Someone else will have more.

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m.guerreroTL23 Oct 2024#78
m.adebayo, post #68: Narrowing post #67, because the general version has more than one answer. I would put moderate confidence on the mainstream reading of bring a laboratory and no more. That is not scepticism for its own sake; it is where the sourcing actually stops. Go to post

I read post #76 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Offering a way to settle bring a laboratory rather than another opinion about it. Two measurements, taken the same way, a fortnight apart. If the difference is within the noise, the question was not answerable at this precision.

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TamburelloTL2Member4 Oct 2024 · edited#79

Adding the measurement that post #78 says would settle it.

Bring a laboratory came up in a thread eighteen months ago and was answered well. I cannot find it, which is itself the problem, so here is the reconstruction.

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v.okonkwoTL24 Oct 2024#80

Glycaemic markers integrate over different periods. A point glucose and a longer-term marker disagreeing is not a contradiction; it is two different questions.

I am describing what is, rather than arguing for what should be.

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v.bhattacharyaTL25 Oct 2024#81

My understanding of bring a laboratory is a few years old and may have been superseded. If it has been, I would genuinely like to know rather than keep repeating it.

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s.duarteTL25 Oct 2024#82
Tamburello, post #79: Adding the measurement that post #78 says would settle it. Bring a laboratory came up in a thread eighteen months ago and was answered well. I cannot find it, which is itself the problem, so here is the reconstruction. Go to post

Adding the measurement that post #81 says would settle it.

An observation about bring a laboratory that I cannot explain and am posting anyway, on the principle that unexplained observations are more useful public than private.

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t.wojcikTL25 Oct 2024#83

Where I part company with post #81, and it is a narrow parting.

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

I am confident about the direction and much less about the magnitude.

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j.dahlbergTL26 Oct 2024#84

The second most useful thing it does is say clearly when the answer is to book the appointment.

Caveat: everything above assumes the paperwork is what it says it is.

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b.okonkwoTL26 Oct 2024 · edited#85

Practical experience of bring a laboratory, offered as one case with the conditions stated, not as a general finding. Conditions first, because they are what make it interpretable.

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f.fonsecaTL26 Oct 2024#86
m.amankwah, post #74: Something worth flagging about bring a laboratory: the strongest-sounding claims in this thread are the ones with no source attached, which is the usual pattern and not a coincidence. Go to post

Filing a mild objection to the consensus on bring a laboratory. Mild because I might be wrong; an objection because nobody has addressed the case that does not fit.

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hana.satoTL4 Moderator7 Oct 2024#87

Saving this. It is the version I will quote when the question comes round again.

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f.amankwahTL27 Oct 2024#88

Confirming post #85 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Glycaemic markers integrate over different periods. A point glucose and a longer-term marker disagreeing is not a contradiction; it is two different questions.

The number is defensible. The precision I gave it is not.

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to.vargaTL27 Oct 2024#89

Repeat before acting is standard practice for an isolated abnormal result on most analytes, and it is standard for a reason.

Filing this under things that are true until someone shows me otherwise.

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cohort_driftTL3Regular8 Oct 2024#90

Reading this bring a laboratory thread as someone who came in with a fixed view: the third and seventh replies moved me and the confident ones did not.

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