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Second pass at: Cross-border purchase within the EU: the actual rules posts 91–120

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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methods_marginTL3Regular10 Mar 2025 · edited#91
m.yilmaz, post #71: Summaries lag badly in this area. Where a decision matters, read the current official document rather than a page about it, including this one. It is worth checking rather than assuming, which costs nothing. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #88 runs together.

Second-hand on Cross-border purchase within, so weight it accordingly — someone whose method I trust told me this and I have not verified it myself.

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e.bakkenTL211 Mar 2025#92

This follows post #91 rather than contradicting it.

Customs practice varies between entry points within the same country, which is why two people in the same jurisdiction report different experiences honestly.

I am not the right person to answer the follow-up to this.

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crossover_reviewTL3Regular11 Mar 2025#93

The bit of Cross-border purchase within that nobody enjoys is that the answer changes depending on what you are trying to decide with it. Say what the decision is and the thread will converge.

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n.boatengTL212 Mar 2025#94

Understood, and I withdraw the assumption I opened with.

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g.pemberton_ukTL3Regional · UK12 Mar 2025#95
s.grimaldi, post #84: No disagreement from me. Posting only so the question does not look ignored. Go to post

On post #93 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

On Cross-border purchase within I would separate what is worth knowing from what is worth acting on. The first list is long and the second is short, and conflating them is how threads get heated.

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h.friskTL213 Mar 2025#96
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dexa_twice_yearlyTL3Regular13 Mar 2025#97

Reporting rather than recommending, on Cross-border purchase within. What happened is above. Whether it should have is a different question and not one I am qualified to answer.

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i.balogunTL214 Mar 2025#98
lu.cabrera, post #22: Post #20 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction. Where the Cross-border purchase within discussion usually stalls is that nobody wants to say "I do not know" and everyone is willing to say "it varies". Those are the same sentence with different clothes on. Go to post

Post #97 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Checked the Cross-border purchase within claim against the primary source this morning. It survives, with a narrower scope than the version quoted here. Posting the narrower scope.

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crossover_entryTL3Regular14 Mar 2025#99

Travel with medication: carrying a compound across borders is complicated by legal status. Documenting that it is prescribed and carrying proof reduces (but does not eliminate) risk.

Take the reasoning and check the arithmetic; I do not always get it right.

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l.vermeulenTL215 Mar 2025 · edited#100

One more thing on Cross-border purchase within that took me far too long to see: the two figures people quote are not measuring the same quantity. Once you notice that, the apparent contradiction disappears.

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b.demirTL215 Mar 2025#101
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h.mensahTL216 Mar 2025#102

Both are useful and they are different contributions. A first-hand account and a citation answer different halves of the question.

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g.rasmussenTL216 Mar 2025#103

Post #102 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Cross-border prescribing and cross-border dispensing are different questions with different answers in most jurisdictions.

I have deliberately not rounded that, because the rounding is where the argument starts.

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s.bruunTL217 Mar 2025#104
n.boateng, post #94: Understood, and I withdraw the assumption I opened with. Go to post

I will take the caveat as seriously as the claim, which is the point of putting it there.

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m.eriksenTL217 Mar 2025#105

I read post #102 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Nobody has said the unglamorous part of Cross-border purchase within yet, so: most of the variation is explained by things that are boring to write about and easy to check.

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h.amankwahTL218 Mar 2025#106

Compounding in different countries: some countries allow pharmacy compounding under defined conditions; others do not. The rules are jurisdiction-specific and change.

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l.piresTL218 Mar 2025 · edited#107

On Cross-border purchase within: the maintained page in the documentation commons covers the general case with citations and a review date, which is more reliable than any reply here including this one.

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m.ekstromTL219 Mar 2025#108
m.stephanopoulos, post #2: Compounding in different countries: some countries allow pharmacy compounding under defined conditions; others do not. The rules are jurisdiction-specific and change. Go to post

This follows post #105 rather than contradicting it.

Answering the Cross-border purchase within question as asked, then the question I think is meant. As asked: yes, with the qualification below. As meant: it depends on how the first measurement was taken.

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c.inglethorpeTL3Regular19 Mar 2025#109
k.dahlberg, post #86: Import rules for personal use: what you can import for personal use depends on your country's rules, not on where it is sold. Checking your country's rules before ordering is prudent. Go to post

Understood. Thank you for being specific about the limits of it.

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r.molnarTL219 Mar 2025#110

Post #108 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Regional practice around what a pharmacy will and will not do varies enormously and is not deducible from the regulatory position.

The uncertainty is in the assumption, not in the calculation.

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j.habermannTL3Regular20 Mar 2025#111
h.nwosu, post #7: Picking up post #4: that is the part I would want checked first. The honest answer on Cross-border purchase within is that it depends, and the useful part is the list of what it depends on. Four items, in rough order of how much they matter. Most people get the first two right and then argue about the fourth. Go to post

I have three months of notes on Cross-border purchase within and the honest summary is that the trend is real and the week-to-week numbers are noise. I nearly drew the opposite conclusion from the first fortnight.

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ni.stanescuTL220 Mar 2025 · edited#112
w.novak, post #32: Bookmarking this. I will come back when I have something worth adding. Go to post

Something worth flagging about Cross-border purchase within: the strongest-sounding claims in this thread are the ones with no source attached, which is the usual pattern and not a coincidence.

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k.farrugiaTL3Regular21 Mar 2025#113

This follows post #112 rather than contradicting it.

Licensed prescribing: where a compound is approved, prescribing is restricted to licensed prescribers. Where it is not approved, the legality of possession and use is unclear.

If anyone can point at the primary source I would be grateful.

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k.okaforTL221 Mar 2025#114

This settles it for me, at least until somebody posts a reason it should not.

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s.poulsenTL3Regular22 Mar 2025#115

Customs practice varies between entry points within the same country, which is why two people in the same jurisdiction report different experiences honestly.

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mi.almeidaTL222 Mar 2025#116
a.silva, post #45: Licensed prescribing: where a compound is approved, prescribing is restricted to licensed prescribers. Where it is not approved, the legality of possession and use is unclear. Go to post

Reframing Cross-border purchase within slightly, because I think the disagreement is about the question rather than the answer. If the question is "does it happen", yes. If it is "how often", nobody here knows.

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ambient_reviewTL3Regular23 Mar 2025#117

Picking up post #116: that is the part I would want checked first.

Cross-border purchase within has a well-known answer and a correct answer, and the interesting work is establishing that they are the same. Nobody has done that here yet.

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a.petrovTL223 Mar 2025#118

On post #115 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Currency and exchange rates: paying in different currencies has different costs and risks. Bitcoin eliminates currency and intermediary issues but has other risks.

I would be interested in a counterexample if anyone has one.

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PSundbergTL2Member24 Mar 2025#119
w.novak, post #32: Bookmarking this. I will come back when I have something worth adding. Go to post

Helpful, and short, which on this subject is harder than long.

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f.fontaineTL224 Mar 2025#120

Import rules for personal use: what you can import for personal use depends on your country's rules, not on where it is sold. Checking your country's rules before ordering is prudent.

Noting that the question and the thing people usually mean by it are different.

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