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Why pulsatile secretion matters for interpreting secretagogue claims — a second dataset

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r.mensahTL27 Aug 2024#4

A mass result for a short peptide is more discriminating than for a long one, because a single residue difference is a larger proportion of the total. That makes identity confirmation genuinely useful here.

I have left out the parts I could not verify.

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buffer_sheetTL3Regular27 Aug 2024 · edited#7
r.mensah, post #4: A mass result for a short peptide is more discriminating than for a long one, because a single residue difference is a larger proportion of the total. That makes identity confirmation genuinely useful here. I have left out the parts I could not verify. Go to post

Ipamorelin selectivity claims originate in preclinical characterisation and are reasonably well supported for what they claim: less effect on cortisol and prolactin than earlier GHRPs. Whether that translates to something clinically meaningful is a different question from whether the selectivity is real.

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a.jansenTL26 Oct 2024#14

Ipamorelin is usually described as selective in that it produces less of an effect on cortisol and prolactin than earlier compounds in the family. Selective is a relative claim and the comparison group matters.

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v.krastevTL214 Nov 2024#22
b.wikstrom, post #8: Reading a rodent study on a secretagogue without over-extrapolating: rodent studies can show a mechanism is plausible. They cannot show magnitude of effect in humans or safety profile in humans. That gap is larger for secretagogues than for incretin agonists because the human evidence is thinner. Go to post

Summarising the pulsatile secretion thread so far, since it is long and the answer is buried: the first reply has the method, the fourth has the correction to it, and the rest is people agreeing at length.

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o.cousineauTL3Regular2 Jan 2025#33

Two sentences on pulsatile secretion and then I will stop, because the rest is speculation and the thread is better without mine.

What is documented is narrow. What is inferred from it is broad. The gap between them is where every argument here lives.

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logbook_erinTL3Regular28 Feb 2025#47

Storage: these are lyophilised short peptides and are generally reasonably stable dry and considerably less so in solution. Reconstituting only what will be used within the period the supplier's own data covers is the conservative approach.

Written in the hope of being told what I have missed.

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an.adeyemiTL224 Mar 2025 · edited#53

What a well-designed human trial of a secretagogue would look like: randomised, placebo-controlled, adequate sample size, IGF-1 as primary outcome, muscle and strength as secondary outcomes, adequate follow-up duration. Very few secretagogue trials meet that description.

One of those cases where knowing the mechanism does not help the decision.

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j.castellanosTL28 Apr 2025#57

Why this subcategory is stricter about sourcing than most: the evidence base is weaker and that is precisely why documentation quality matters more. A supplier page that clearly identifies the compound and the purity is more valuable for secretagogues than for incretin agonists where the evidence base is stronger.

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ew.kuuselaTL223 Apr 2025#61
j.castellanos, post #57: Why this subcategory is stricter about sourcing than most: the evidence base is weaker and that is precisely why documentation quality matters more. A supplier page that clearly identifies the compound and the purity is more valuable for secretagogues than for incretin agonists where the evidence base is stronger. Go to post

Post #59 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

What a well-designed human trial of a secretagogue would look like: randomised, placebo-controlled, adequate sample size, IGF-1 as primary outcome, muscle and strength as secondary outcomes, adequate follow-up duration. Very few secretagogue trials meet that description.

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