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Citing a preprint in a maintained document: our rule and its reasoning — does this still hold?

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Building anything durable on a preprint means committing to rebuild it. That is a reasonable trade for a fast-moving question and it should be an explicit one.

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CFairweatherTL1Member24 Sep 2025#1

The question in the title: Citing a preprint in a maintained document: our rule and its reasoning — does this still hold? I will give what I have already checked below so nobody repeats it.

A question about how this site should cite something that has not been reviewed.

I want to reference a preprint in a maintained document. The convention I understand is to label the status in the sentence itself rather than in a footnote, and to record the date the version was checked.

Is that the whole convention, or is there a further step for the case where the preprint is later published with different numbers?

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ro.friskTL224 Sep 2025#2

Retractions and corrections do not propagate well from preprint servers. A citation that was fine when made can quietly become wrong.

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dr_seongTL3Physician25 Sep 2025#3
CFairweather, post #1: The question in the title: Citing a preprint in a maintained document: our rule and its reasoning — does this still hold? I will give what I have already checked below so nobody repeats it. A question about how this site should cite something that has not been reviewed. I want to reference a preprint in a maintained document. The… Go to post

Quietly grateful for the plain phrasing. Not every thread gets that.

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i.almeidaTL225 Sep 2025#4

A preprint that has been up for two years without appearing in a journal is telling you something, and it is not necessarily that the work is bad.

A modest claim, modestly supported.

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slow_titratorTL2Regular25 Sep 2025#5

Post #4 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

What changes between preprint and publication: authors respond to reviewer comments, re-analyse data, correct errors found in peer review, and sometimes report different results from updated analyses. The published version is not the same as the preprint.

If it helps: the failure mode here is usually boring rather than dramatic.

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n.kravchenkoTL225 Sep 2025#6

I came in to disagree and I am leaving without a disagreement.

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w.novakTL3Regular Solution25 Sep 2025#7

Building anything durable on a preprint means committing to rebuild it. That is a reasonable trade for a fast-moving question and it should be an explicit one.

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f.weissTL225 Sep 2025#8
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dr_okonkwoTL4 Moderator25 Sep 2025#9
n.kravchenko, post #6: I came in to disagree and I am leaving without a disagreement. Go to post

I would rather this thread reach "we do not know" about Citing a preprint than reach a confident answer that nobody can support when asked.

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f.sjobergTL225 Sep 2025#10
i.almeida, post #4: A preprint that has been up for two years without appearing in a journal is telling you something, and it is not necessarily that the work is bad. A modest claim, modestly supported. Go to post

Reading a preprint properly means doing some of the reviewer's job: methods first, then whether the analysis matches the plan, then the conclusion.

Same conclusion as the reply above, reached differently, which is mildly reassuring.

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j.falkTL226 Sep 2025#11

Do not build anything on a preprint that you would mind rebuilding: if the preprint later changes substantially in revision or shows different results when published, your reasoning based on the preprint needs to be revised.

The number is defensible. The precision I gave it is not.

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b.jankowiakTL3Regular26 Sep 2025#12

Where numbers change between preprint and published version, the changes are not random. They tend toward a smaller effect and a more carefully hedged claim.

Flagging that the sources on this are thinner than the confidence in the thread suggests.

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h.espinozaTL226 Sep 2025#13
f.weiss, post #8: Citing a preprint would be much easier to settle if anyone reported the denominator. Almost nobody reports the denominator. Go to post

Fair, and the limits you put on it are the part I will remember.

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y.mensahTL3Wiki editor26 Sep 2025#14

Coming back to post #10, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Author track record is a weak signal and it is a signal. A group that has published carefully for years is a different prior from an unknown one.

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n.kravchenkoTL226 Sep 2025#15

Check whether it was later published: searching for the preprint's first author and keywords in PubMed might find a published version. The published version is the stronger citation if it exists.

If this contradicts something upthread, the upthread version may well be the better one.

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slow_titratorTL2Regular26 Sep 2025#16

Say it is a preprint in the first line rather than the last. Everything downstream depends on that status and readers arriving from search will not scroll for it.

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f.weissTL226 Sep 2025#17
b.jankowiak, post #12: Where numbers change between preprint and published version, the changes are not random. They tend toward a smaller effect and a more carefully hedged claim. Flagging that the sources on this are thinner than the confidence in the thread suggests. Go to post

The honest position on most preprints in this field is that they are interesting and provisional, and that saying both is not fence-sitting.

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w.novakTL3Regular26 Sep 2025 · edited#18

I read post #14 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

A preprint reporting a null result is more likely to stay a preprint, which biases the published literature and makes preprint servers more valuable rather than less.

Filing this under things that are true until someone shows me otherwise.

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ro.friskTL226 Sep 2025 · edited#19

The arithmetic in post #16 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Always label it as a preprint in any discussion. A preprint is not a published trial and it is not settled knowledge. Use it for hypothesis generation and for understanding emerging evidence, not for drawing definitive conclusions.

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customs_ledgerTL3Regular27 Sep 2025#20

Answering the question post #18 raises rather than the one it answers.

For anyone finding this later: the short answer on Citing a preprint is that it depends on one thing, and the rest of the thread is people identifying which thing.

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s.kimaniTL227 Sep 2025#21

Post #19 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Version numbers on a preprint server matter. Citing version one of something now on version four is citing a document that has been superseded by its own authors.

Posting it because the silence on this was starting to look like agreement.

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n.haddadTL227 Sep 2025#22
customs_ledger, post #20: Answering the question post #18 raises rather than the one it answers. For anyone finding this later: the short answer on Citing a preprint is that it depends on one thing, and the rest of the thread is people identifying which thing. Go to post

How to cite a preprint: author last name, first initial, et al. Title. Server name [preprint]. Posted date. Doi. Include the server name and note that it is a preprint.

Second-hand, so weight it accordingly.

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n.stanescuTL227 Sep 2025#23

Two people in this thread mean different things by Citing a preprint and are disagreeing about the definition while believing they are disagreeing about the facts. Worth pausing to define it.

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j.nwosuTL227 Sep 2025#24

Narrowing post #23, because the general version has more than one answer.

A methods point on Citing a preprint rather than a substantive one: if the comparison is not like for like, the difference you are measuring is the difference in method.

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b.vanheckeTL227 Sep 2025#25

Peer review catches some things reliably — missing methods, unsupported conclusions, statistical mistakes of the obvious kind — and misses others routinely. Knowing which is which makes preprint reading easier.

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m.strand_rphTL3Pharmacist27 Sep 2025 · edited#26
CFairweather, post #1: The question in the title: Citing a preprint in a maintained document: our rule and its reasoning — does this still hold? I will give what I have already checked below so nobody repeats it. A question about how this site should cite something that has not been reviewed. I want to reference a preprint in a maintained document. The… Go to post

Right, and stated more narrowly than I would have dared to state it.

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d.eriksenTL227 Sep 2025#27
s.kimani, post #21: Post #19 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction. Version numbers on a preprint server matter. Citing version one of something now on version four is citing a document that has been superseded by its own authors. Posting it because the silence on this was starting to look like agreement. Go to post

Sample size and pre-registration are checkable in a preprint exactly as in a paper, and they carry the same weight.

Scoping that to what I have actually seen rather than what I have read.

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j.mwangiTL4 Moderator27 Sep 2025#28

The arithmetic in post #27 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Where a preprint contradicts a published trial, the prior should favour the trial. Where it extends one, the preprint can be genuinely useful.

Happy to expand any of that if it is the useful part.

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GDashwoodTL3Regular27 Sep 2025#29

Summarising the Citing a preprint thread so far, since it is long and the answer is buried: the first reply has the method, the fourth has the correction to it, and the rest is people agreeing at length.

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ca.haddadTL228 Sep 2025#30

A preprint with the data and code attached is frequently more checkable than a published paper without them. Reviewed and reproducible are different properties.

Somebody will have a better source than mine, and I hope they post it.

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