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Citing a preprint in a maintained document: our rule and its reasoning — does this still hold? posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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r.jhannsdttirTL3Regular30 Sep 2025#61

Post #59 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

Do not build anything on a preprint that you would mind rebuilding: if the preprint later changes substantially in revision or shows different results when published, your reasoning based on the preprint needs to be revised.

Worth reading the earlier posts in this thread before acting on mine.

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v.bergstromTL230 Sep 2025#62

If you cite a preprint in a maintained document here, the convention is to label it in the sentence and to note the check date. The document review will catch the update.

That is one dataset and I would not build a rule on it.

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VPoulsenTL3Regular30 Sep 2025#63
m.strand_rph, post #26: Right, and stated more narrowly than I would have dared to state it. Go to post

Second this, and I would have said it less carefully.

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n.duarteTL230 Sep 2025 · edited#64

Confirming post #62 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

How to cite a preprint: author last name, first initial, et al. Title. Server name [preprint]. Posted date. Doi. Include the server name and note that it is a preprint.

The confident version of this sentence would be wrong, so here is the hedged one.

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crossref_checkTL3Wiki editor30 Sep 2025#65

Answering the question post #64 raises rather than the one it answers.

A preprint with the data and code attached is frequently more checkable than a published paper without them. Reviewed and reproducible are different properties.

I would put the burden of proof on the interesting explanation, not the dull one.

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k.asanteTL21 Oct 2025#66
r.scholten, post #35: Check whether it was later published: searching for the preprint's first author and keywords in PubMed might find a published version. The published version is the stronger citation if it exists. Go to post

The arithmetic in post #64 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

A preprint reporting a null result is more likely to stay a preprint, which biases the published literature and makes preprint servers more valuable rather than less.

A single observation, in a thread that deserves better than single observations.

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c.okaforTL3Regular1 Oct 2025#67
s.kimani, post #21: Post #19 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction. Version numbers on a preprint server matter. Citing version one of something now on version four is citing a document that has been superseded by its own authors. Posting it because the silence on this was starting to look like agreement. Go to post

Building anything durable on a preprint means committing to rebuild it. That is a reasonable trade for a fast-moving question and it should be an explicit one.

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s.girardTL21 Oct 2025#68

Worth separating Citing a preprint as a question about the compound from Citing a preprint as a question about the documentation. They get answered by different people and only one of them is answerable here.

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FairweatherTL2Member1 Oct 2025#69

Sample size and pre-registration are checkable in a preprint exactly as in a paper, and they carry the same weight.

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d.vestergaardTL21 Oct 2025#70
taper_file, post #59: Peer review catches some things reliably — missing methods, unsupported conclusions, statistical mistakes of the obvious kind — and misses others routinely. Knowing which is which makes preprint reading easier. The general answer and the answer for your case may diverge here. Go to post

The confident answers on Citing a preprint and the well-sourced answers are not the same answers, which is the most useful thing I have learned reading this category.

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chromatogramTL4Analytical chemist1 Oct 2025#71

Adding a note of thanks rather than an opinion. I did not know most of that.

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m.adeyemiTL21 Oct 2025#72
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retention_indexTL2Analytical chemist1 Oct 2025#73
o.nyberg, post #32: If you cite a preprint in a maintained document here, the convention is to label it in the sentence and to note the check date. The document review will catch the update. Go to post

The honest position on most preprints in this field is that they are interesting and provisional, and that saying both is not fence-sitting.

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r.petrovTL21 Oct 2025 · edited#74

If you cite a preprint in a maintained document here, the convention is to label it in the sentence and to note the check date. The document review will catch the update.

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j.castellanosTL21 Oct 2025#75

Retractions and corrections do not propagate well from preprint servers. A citation that was fine when made can quietly become wrong.

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s.coelhoTL21 Oct 2025#76

Server repositories: medRxiv for medicine, bioRxiv for biology. Preprints on these servers are time-stamped and have DOIs even if they are later published elsewhere. Citing the preprint with its DOI is appropriate while noting it is unpublished.

That is the version I use. It may not be the version that is correct.

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j.mwangiTL4 Moderator1 Oct 2025#77
b.vanhecke, post #25: Peer review catches some things reliably — missing methods, unsupported conclusions, statistical mistakes of the obvious kind — and misses others routinely. Knowing which is which makes preprint reading easier. Go to post

Post #74 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

Version numbers on a preprint server matter. Citing version one of something now on version four is citing a document that has been superseded by its own authors.

Anyone who has looked at this more carefully, please correct the record.

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e.kuuselaTL21 Oct 2025#78
h.oyelowo, post #43: Coming back to post #41, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. I think the Citing a preprint question is answerable and has not been answered, which is a more optimistic position than most of this thread. Go to post

The arithmetic on Citing a preprint is the easy part and it is where the errors are, which is an uncomfortable combination. Show your working and someone will catch it.

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l.ibarraTL2Regular2 Oct 2025 · edited#79

Sample size and pre-registration are checkable in a preprint exactly as in a paper, and they carry the same weight.

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c.haddadTL22 Oct 2025#80

That reframing is the whole thing. The facts I already had.

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a.silvaTL22 Oct 2025#81

Citing a preprint has a well-known answer and a correct answer, and the interesting work is establishing that they are the same. Nobody has done that here yet.

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PSkarbekTL3Regular2 Oct 2025#82
m.strand_rph, post #26: Right, and stated more narrowly than I would have dared to state it. Go to post

Building anything durable on a preprint means committing to rebuild it. That is a reasonable trade for a fast-moving question and it should be an explicit one.

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m.achebeTL22 Oct 2025#83

Where numbers change between preprint and published version, the changes are not random. They tend toward a smaller effect and a more carefully hedged claim.

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v.krastevTL22 Oct 2025#84

Picking up post #81: that is the part I would want checked first.

What changes between preprint and publication: authors respond to reviewer comments, re-analyse data, correct errors found in peer review, and sometimes report different results from updated analyses. The published version is not the same as the preprint.

The literature is thinner on this than the confidence in the thread implies.

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b.nilsenTL22 Oct 2025#85

This settles it for me, at least until somebody posts a reason it should not.

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n.petrovTL22 Oct 2025#86
w.novak, post #18: I read post #14 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. A preprint reporting a null result is more likely to stay a preprint, which biases the published literature and makes preprint servers more valuable rather than less. Filing this under things that are true until someone shows me otherwise. Go to post

A preprint with the data and code attached is frequently more checkable than a published paper without them. Reviewed and reproducible are different properties.

One of those cases where knowing the mechanism does not help the decision.

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s.dziedzicTL22 Oct 2025 · edited#88

Citing a preprint: I would want to see the raw numbers rather than the summary before agreeing. Summaries lose exactly the information that would settle this.

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t.verhoevenTL22 Oct 2025#89

Everything in post #86 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

Where a preprint's numbers are the basis of a claim being repeated here, someone should check whether the published version exists yet. That check is nearly always overdue.

Not a conclusion. A place to stand while looking for one.

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l.chevalierTL3Regular2 Oct 2025#90

Narrowing post #89, because the general version has more than one answer.

Screening on a preprint server is minimal and is not review. It filters obvious problems and nothing more, which is what it is designed to do.

I have written this out at length because the short version keeps being misread.

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