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Mass error in ppm: the arithmetic and the caveat posts 91–120

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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g.danquahTL215 Feb 2026#91
BGiordano, post #6: Adducts — sodium and potassium especially — shift the observed mass in predictable increments. A report showing an unexplained plus twenty-two is usually showing you a sodium adduct. Where I would look next, rather than where I would stop. Go to post

Building on post #89 rather than restating it.

Mass error in ppm has a well-known answer and a correct answer, and the interesting work is establishing that they are the same. Nobody has done that here yet.

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BuchholzTL2Member15 Feb 2026#92

An acylated peptide has a mass that reflects the modification, so comparing against the mass of the unmodified backbone gives a mismatch that is not an error.

Second-hand, so weight it accordingly.

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ew.kuuselaTL215 Feb 2026#93

Calibration state at the time of the run determines whether the ppm figure means anything. A report that states when the instrument was last calibrated is unusual and is worth more than one that does not.

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t.waldenstrmTL2Member15 Feb 2026#94

Quietly grateful for the plain phrasing. Not every thread gets that.

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t.brandtTL215 Feb 2026 · edited#95
vial_slope, post #16: Tandem mass spectrometry: MS/MS fragments the molecular ion and uses fragment masses to confirm identity and detect modifications. A simple identity confirmation by LC-MS does not address post-translational modifications or impurities with the same or very close mass. This is the sort of thing that ought to be settled and apparently is… Go to post

The arithmetic for a doubly charged species is (M + 2 x 1.00728) / 2, and the analogous expression for higher charge states. Working it through once makes the reported values legible.

It is the kind of thing that is obvious once and never again.

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k.bettencourtTL2Member15 Feb 2026#96
r.aldana_pharmd, post #38: Source for the mass error in ppm figure, since it was asked for. It is in the discussion rather than the abstract, which is why the version circulating is stronger than the paper is. Reading the surrounding paragraph is worth the two minutes. The authors are more careful than their summarisers. Go to post

Mass accuracy is expressed in parts per million. It is the difference between observed and theoretical mass divided by theoretical mass, multiplied by a million. A high-resolution instrument in good calibration achieves low single-digit ppm on a peptide of this size.

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j.solbergTL215 Feb 2026#97

The arithmetic in post #95 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

What mass accuracy establishes: the measured mass is consistent with a specific composition. What it does not establish: purity, sequence order, stereochemistry, or the absence of an isobaric species. Every one of those requires something else.

I checked the source rather than the summary, and they differ.

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LundqvistTL2Member15 Feb 2026#98

Answering the question post #96 raises rather than the one it answers.

Two sentences on mass error in ppm and then I will stop, because the rest is speculation and the thread is better without mine.

What is documented is narrow. What is inferred from it is broad. The gap between them is where every argument here lives.

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f.laurentTL215 Feb 2026#99

Resolution and mass accuracy are different specifications. An instrument can resolve two species and still assign their masses imprecisely, and the reverse is also possible.

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septum_entryTL2Member15 Feb 2026#100

I had written a reply contradicting post #96 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

Mass error in parts per million is (observed minus theoretical) divided by theoretical, times a million. On a high-resolution instrument a low single-digit figure is unremarkable and expected.

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n.laurentTL215 Feb 2026#101

A mass match establishes that the measured mass is consistent with the proposed composition. It does not establish purity, sequence order, or the absence of an isomer, and all three are frequently claimed from it.

The honest answer is that it depends, and here is what it depends on.

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compounding_ruthTL4Pharmacist15 Feb 2026#102

Clear enough that I do not think I have a follow-up, which is unusual.

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h.delgadoTL215 Feb 2026#103
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impurity_tableTL3Analytical chemist15 Feb 2026 · edited#104
k.batista, post #11: Adding the measurement that post #10 says would settle it. The arithmetic for a doubly charged species is (M + 2 x 1.00728) / 2, and the analogous expression for higher charge states. Working it through once makes the reported values legible. Go to post

Post #101 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

Deamidation adds approximately one dalton and produces a species that frequently elutes very close to the parent. It is the hardest common impurity to see chromatographically and the easiest to see by mass.

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j.moreauTL215 Feb 2026#105

For a compound with no reference standard in circulation, an observed mass is much more useful than an assertion of agreement with a theoretical value nobody can check.

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bias_varianceTL4Biostatistician15 Feb 2026#106

Where I part company with post #104, and it is a narrow parting.

For anyone finding this later: the short answer on mass error in ppm is that it depends on one thing, and the rest of the thread is people identifying which thing.

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m.steinerTL215 Feb 2026#107

The arithmetic in post #104 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory.

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f.demirTL2Regular15 Feb 2026#108
GDashwood, post #23: Mass error in parts per million is (observed minus theoretical) divided by theoretical, times a million. On a high-resolution instrument a low single-digit figure is unremarkable and expected. Go to post

Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass.

Take the reasoning and check the arithmetic; I do not always get it right.

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m.ivaturiTL215 Feb 2026#109
orbitrap_ola, post #58: Post #56 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it. The practical version of mass error in ppm is three sentences long. The rigorous version is three pages and reaches the same conclusion with the conditions attached. Go to post

Sensible. I would want the same detail before I acted on it either.

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d.barrosTL215 Feb 2026#110

Post #106 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Calibration matters: a high-resolution instrument out of calibration can report mass with ppm error large enough to be uninformative. Check when the instrument was last calibrated before trusting the reported accuracy.

Worth saying I have only my own numbers here, and n is small.

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e.ferreiraTL3Regular15 Feb 2026#111

Resolution and mass accuracy are different specifications. An instrument can resolve two species and still assign their masses imprecisely, and the reverse is also possible.

A guess, clearly labelled as one.

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KAnderssonTL3Regular15 Feb 2026 · edited#112
n.hartmann, post #15: Acknowledging rather than arguing. The reasoning holds as far as I can follow it. Go to post

Adding the measurement that post #110 says would settle it.

Trifluoroacetate adducts are common in material purified with TFA and are one reason a mass spectrum from a peptide can look busier than expected.

I would not lead a decision with this, but I would not ignore it either.

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e.ndiayeTL215 Feb 2026#113

I had written a reply contradicting post #110 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

Mass error in ppm is a good example of a question where the honest answer is boring and the interesting answers are unsupported. I would go with boring.

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d.szymanskiTL3Wiki editor15 Feb 2026#114

Mass error in parts per million is (observed minus theoretical) divided by theoretical, times a million. On a high-resolution instrument a low single-digit figure is unremarkable and expected.

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b.correiaTL215 Feb 2026#115
n.stanescu, post #29: Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass. Reading it back, the second half matters more than the first. Go to post

Sample preparation for mass spectrometry can itself introduce modifications, particularly oxidation. A finding at trace level may be telling you about the preparation rather than the material.

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n.rowntreeTL3Regular15 Feb 2026#116
cannula_drift, post #4: Taking the opening post at face value and following it one step further. A definition problem is doing most of the work in this mass error in ppm discussion. Once the term is pinned down I suspect the disagreement mostly goes away and what is left is small. Go to post

Reading rather than contributing, but this is the most useful thread I have found on it.

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r.bakkenTL216 Feb 2026#117

Coming back to post #113, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Purity and identity are different questions: LC-MS establishes that the species at a retention time has the expected mass. It does not establish how much of the sample is that species (that is what LC-UV purity answers).

If the premise is wrong, everything after it is decoration.

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titrate_traceTL1Member16 Feb 2026#118

Post #117 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Adducts — sodium and potassium especially — shift the observed mass in predictable increments. A report showing an unexplained plus twenty-two is usually showing you a sodium adduct.

Correct me on the arithmetic if it is wrong; I would rather know.

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a.jansenTL216 Feb 2026 · edited#119
NLoughran, post #18: I had written a reply contradicting post #16 and deleted it. Here is what survived. For a compound with no reference standard in circulation, an observed mass is much more useful than an assertion of agreement with a theoretical value nobody can check. Go to post

Reading this mass error in ppm thread as someone who came in with a fixed view: the third and seventh replies moved me and the confident ones did not.

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e.ferreiraTL3Regular16 Feb 2026#120

The number people quote for mass error in ppm is a central estimate presented without its interval, and the interval is wide enough that the estimate is nearly uninformative on its own.

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