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Mass error in ppm: the arithmetic and the caveat posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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b.kowalskiTL212 Feb 2026#31
c.inglethorpe, post #2: An acylated peptide has a mass that reflects the modification, so comparing against the mass of the unmodified backbone gives a mismatch that is not an error. I would rather say I do not know than round it up to an answer. Go to post

I keep a log for mass error in ppm specifically because my memory of it turned out to be systematically wrong in one direction. Six weeks of notes cost nothing and settled it.

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e.ferreiraTL3Regular12 Feb 2026#32
p.lindqvist, post #9: Adding what did not work for me on mass error in ppm, since the failures never get written up and they are half the useful information. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #30 runs together.

Two things can be true about mass error in ppm at once: the mechanism is plausible and the evidence for the size of the effect is thin. Most of the argument here is people defending the first against attacks on the second.

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r.erdoganTL213 Feb 2026#33

Post #32 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Tandem mass spectrometry with fragmentation gives sequence information that intact mass cannot. It is the analysis that would actually confirm identity, and it is rarely supplied.

Not a conclusion. A place to stand while looking for one.

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dietitian_hollisTL3Dietitian13 Feb 2026#34

Calibration state at the time of the run determines whether the ppm figure means anything. A report that states when the instrument was last calibrated is unusual and is worth more than one that does not.

If anyone has run this properly I would rather read that than my own guess.

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s.mbekiTL213 Feb 2026 · edited#35
BGiordano, post #6: Adducts — sodium and potassium especially — shift the observed mass in predictable increments. A report showing an unexplained plus twenty-two is usually showing you a sodium adduct. Where I would look next, rather than where I would stop. Go to post

Picking up post #32: that is the part I would want checked first.

I disagree with the framing of mass error in ppm above, and I think it is a substantive disagreement rather than a terminological one. Setting out why, so it can be checked.

The reasoning depends on an assumption that is doing a lot of work and is never stated. If the assumption holds, the conclusion follows. I do not think it holds generally.

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n.abernathyTL3Analytical chemist13 Feb 2026#36

On post #34 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Response in electrospray is not proportional to abundance across different species. Using peak intensities from a mass spectrum to estimate proportions is a mistake that looks reasonable.

One of those cases where knowing the mechanism does not help the decision.

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a.vukovicTL213 Feb 2026#37

Understood, and I withdraw the assumption I opened with.

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r.aldana_pharmdTL4Pharmacist13 Feb 2026#38

Source for the mass error in ppm figure, since it was asked for. It is in the discussion rather than the abstract, which is why the version circulating is stronger than the paper is.

Reading the surrounding paragraph is worth the two minutes. The authors are more careful than their summarisers.

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k.perrinTL213 Feb 2026#39

Sample preparation for mass spectrometry can itself introduce modifications, particularly oxidation. A finding at trace level may be telling you about the preparation rather than the material.

I would rather be precise about what I do not know than vague about what I do.

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bench_notesTL4 Moderator13 Feb 2026#40
r.vukovic, post #19: Mass error in ppm: I would want to see the raw numbers rather than the summary before agreeing. Summaries lose exactly the information that would settle this. Go to post

Trifluoroacetate adducts are common in material purified with TFA and are one reason a mass spectrum from a peptide can look busier than expected.

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steady_stateTL3Regular13 Feb 2026#41

Deamidation adds approximately one dalton and produces a species that frequently elutes very close to the parent. It is the hardest common impurity to see chromatographically and the easiest to see by mass.

I have written this out at length because the short version keeps being misread.

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y.asanteTL213 Feb 2026#42
bench_notes, post #40: Trifluoroacetate adducts are common in material purified with TFA and are one reason a mass spectrum from a peptide can look busier than expected. Go to post

Combining a chromatographic result with a mass result is genuinely orthogonal confirmation. Either alone leaves a specific class of problem invisible, and the two classes do not overlap much.

Written quickly, so the reasoning may be tighter than the wording.

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journalclub_wrenTL3Regular13 Feb 2026#43

Right — I had this wrong and I am glad to have read it before it mattered.

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e.halonenTL213 Feb 2026#44

Adding the measurement that post #42 says would settle it.

The arithmetic for a doubly charged species is (M + 2 x 1.00728) / 2, and the analogous expression for higher charge states. Working it through once makes the reported values legible.

That has been true for the cases I have seen and I have not seen many.

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dietitian_hollisTL3Dietitian13 Feb 2026 · edited#45

I had written a reply contradicting post #44 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

For a compound with no reference standard in circulation, an observed mass is much more useful than an assertion of agreement with a theoretical value nobody can check.

A modest claim, modestly supported.

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h.agyemanTL213 Feb 2026#46
k.perrin, post #39: Sample preparation for mass spectrometry can itself introduce modifications, particularly oxidation. A finding at trace level may be telling you about the preparation rather than the material. I would rather be precise about what I do not know than vague about what I do. Go to post

Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass.

I would treat that as a working assumption and revisit it.

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n.abernathyTL3Analytical chemist13 Feb 2026#47
n.stanescu, post #29: Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass. Reading it back, the second half matters more than the first. Go to post

Tandem mass spectrometry: MS/MS fragments the molecular ion and uses fragment masses to confirm identity and detect modifications. A simple identity confirmation by LC-MS does not address post-translational modifications or impurities with the same or very close mass.

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n.kuuselaTL213 Feb 2026#48

Picking up post #47: that is the part I would want checked first.

My position on mass error in ppm is current rather than settled. I have revised it once already and I expect to again, so treat it accordingly.

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BirkelandTL3Regular13 Feb 2026#49

Mass accuracy is expressed in parts per million. It is the difference between observed and theoretical mass divided by theoretical mass, multiplied by a million. A high-resolution instrument in good calibration achieves low single-digit ppm on a peptide of this size.

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v.rautioTL213 Feb 2026 · edited#50

Post #47 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

My understanding of mass error in ppm is a few years old and may have been superseded. If it has been, I would genuinely like to know rather than keep repeating it.

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i.almeidaTL213 Feb 2026#51

The honest summary of what a mass result buys you: it narrows the field of what the material could be, considerably. It never closes it, and no certificate should be read as though it had.

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dr_seongTL3Physician13 Feb 2026#52

This settles it for me, at least until somebody posts a reason it should not.

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ro.friskTL213 Feb 2026#53

Post #50 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

Small methodological point on mass error in ppm: repeating a measurement is cheap and resolves most of what is being argued about here at no cost to anyone.

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customs_ledgerTL3Regular13 Feb 2026#54
dr_seong, post #52: This settles it for me, at least until somebody posts a reason it should not. Go to post

Mass error in parts per million is (observed minus theoretical) divided by theoretical, times a million. On a high-resolution instrument a low single-digit figure is unremarkable and expected.

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j.fonsecaTL213 Feb 2026#55
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PharmNotes_WhitfieldTL4Pharmacist13 Feb 2026#56

Monoisotopic and average mass are different numbers and both appear on documents. At this molecular weight the difference is a few daltons, which is more than the tolerance being claimed.

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n.brobergTL213 Feb 2026#57
a.vukovic, post #37: Understood, and I withdraw the assumption I opened with. Go to post

Building on post #54 rather than restating it.

A mass match establishes that the measured mass is consistent with the proposed composition. It does not establish purity, sequence order, or the absence of an isomer, and all three are frequently claimed from it.

The interesting part of this is the exception, and I do not understand the exception.

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orbitrap_olaTL3Mass spectrometrist14 Feb 2026#58
v.rautio, post #50: Post #47 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. My understanding of mass error in ppm is a few years old and may have been superseded. If it has been, I would genuinely like to know rather than keep repeating it. Go to post

Post #56 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

The practical version of mass error in ppm is three sentences long. The rigorous version is three pages and reaches the same conclusion with the conditions attached.

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h.espinozaTL214 Feb 2026#59

Seconded. It reads as careful rather than confident, which is the right register.

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y.mensahTL3Wiki editor14 Feb 2026#60

Calibration matters: a high-resolution instrument out of calibration can report mass with ppm error large enough to be uninformative. Check when the instrument was last calibrated before trusting the reported accuracy.

It is worth stating the boring hypothesis before the interesting one.

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