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Oral contraceptives and delayed emptying: what the data shows

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Second-hand on oral contraceptives and delayed emptying, so weight it accordingly — someone whose method I trust told me this and I have not verified it myself.

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c.amankwahTL23 Jul 2024#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Oral contraceptives and delayed emptying: what the data shows Everything below is what sits behind that.

The question about oral contraceptives and delayed emptying that I actually want answered is the second one below. The first is context and I have kept it short.

Both are stated with units, and I have said what I already checked so that nobody repeats it.

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w.moreauTL24 Jul 2024#2

The opening post and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Oral medications with a narrow therapeutic index are the ones where that matters most. The interaction is about rate and timing rather than about the total absorbed, in most published cases.

That is the version I would defend. It is not the version I started with.

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d.eriksenTL24 Jul 2024#3

The opening post answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

The most defensible general position in this subcategory: identify the plausible mechanism, check whether it has been studied, and where it has not, say that rather than filling the gap.

The general answer and the answer for your case may diverge here.

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m.strand_rphTL3Pharmacist5 Jul 2024#4

I read the earlier replies on oral contraceptives and delayed emptying twice before writing this, because I had assumed the opposite and wanted to be sure I was disagreeing with what was said rather than what I expected.

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b.vanheckeTL25 Jul 2024#5
d.eriksen, post #3: The opening post answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. The most defensible general position in this subcategory: identify the plausible mechanism, check whether it has been studied, and where it has not, say that rather than filling the gap. The general answer and the answer for your case may diverge… Go to post

Oral medications versus time: if you take an oral medication 30 minutes before semaglutide (which slows gastric emptying), the delayed stomach emptying affects when and where the oral medication is absorbed. Separating by a larger interval (1 to 2 hours) usually resolves this.

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ppm_errorTL3Analytical chemist5 Jul 2024#6
m.strand_rph, post #4: I read the earlier replies on oral contraceptives and delayed emptying twice before writing this, because I had assumed the opposite and wanted to be sure I was disagreeing with what was said rather than what I expected. Go to post

Where the oral contraceptives and delayed emptying discussion usually stalls is that nobody wants to say "I do not know" and everyone is willing to say "it varies". Those are the same sentence with different clothes on.

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a.pereiraTL26 Jul 2024#7

Narrowing post #4, because the general version has more than one answer.

Worth stating the null on oral contraceptives and delayed emptying before we explain it: the observation may be nothing. That possibility deserves a sentence and usually does not get one.

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preregisteredTL3Research methods6 Jul 2024#8

Everything in post #6 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

The practical advice most consistently given by pharmacists here is to keep the timing of other oral medication consistent rather than to change it, because consistency is what makes a problem visible.

Old habit: I write down the expected answer before I calculate it.

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vial_slopeTL3Regular Solution6 Jul 2024#9

Second-hand on oral contraceptives and delayed emptying, so weight it accordingly — someone whose method I trust told me this and I have not verified it myself.

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v.malinowskiTL26 Jul 2024 · edited#10

The bit of oral contraceptives and delayed emptying that nobody enjoys is that the answer changes depending on what you are trying to decide with it. Say what the decision is and the thread will converge.

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m.dumitruTL27 Jul 2024#11

Coming back to post #9, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

A pharmacist can answer most questions in this subcategory in a few minutes with access to a proper interaction database, and that access is the thing a forum does not have.

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WickramasingheTL2Member7 Jul 2024#12
vial_slope, post #9: Second-hand on oral contraceptives and delayed emptying, so weight it accordingly — someone whose method I trust told me this and I have not verified it myself. Go to post

Food interactions: most interactions are absorption interactions. Some medications absorb better with food, others better on an empty stomach. With an incretin agonist that already slows gastric emptying, food effects interact with the drug effect as well.

I have changed my mind on this once already, so take it as current rather than settled.

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d.ndiayeTL27 Jul 2024#13

Thyroid medications: semaglutide is associated with a slowing of gastric emptying, which might affect thyroid medication absorption if they are taken very close together. Separating them by a few hours is the conservative approach.

That has been true for the cases I have seen and I have not seen many.

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l.aaltonenTL3Regular7 Jul 2024#14

This follows post #13 rather than contradicting it.

I have been on both sides of the oral contraceptives and delayed emptying argument in this category within eighteen months, which should tell you how strong the evidence for either side is.

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b.nwosuTL28 Jul 2024#15

I read post #13 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

What I want from this oral contraceptives and delayed emptying thread is the list of things that would need to be true for the claim to hold. If we can write that list, we can check it.

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baseline_peakTL2Member8 Jul 2024#16
m.dumitru, post #11: Coming back to post #9, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. A pharmacist can answer most questions in this subcategory in a few minutes with access to a proper interaction database, and that access is the thing a forum does not have. Go to post

Post #13 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

SGLT2 inhibitors: frequently co-administered and relevant to renal and cardiovascular discussion, not to interactions. There is no pharmacokinetic interaction of concern.

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b.jansenTL28 Jul 2024#17

Posting my oral contraceptives and delayed emptying numbers with the method attached so they can be discounted properly. Uncontrolled, unblinded, and collected by someone who wanted a particular answer.

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ZieglerTL3Regular8 Jul 2024#18

Research-use-only compounds have no interaction data of any kind, because interaction studies are done on medicines being developed for use in people.

A modest claim, modestly supported.

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f.rasmussenTL29 Jul 2024 · edited#19
b.vanhecke, post #5: Oral medications versus time: if you take an oral medication 30 minutes before semaglutide (which slows gastric emptying), the delayed stomach emptying affects when and where the oral medication is absorbed. Separating by a larger interval (1 to 2 hours) usually resolves this. Go to post

Delayed gastric emptying is the mechanism behind most of the plausible interactions in this class: anything whose absorption depends on how quickly the stomach empties can behave differently.

Anyone who has looked at this more carefully, please correct the record.

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m.dalgaardTL3Regular9 Jul 2024#20

A definition problem is doing most of the work in this oral contraceptives and delayed emptying discussion. Once the term is pinned down I suspect the disagreement mostly goes away and what is left is small.

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hana.satoTL4 Moderator9 Jul 2024#21
vial_slope, post #9: Second-hand on oral contraceptives and delayed emptying, so weight it accordingly — someone whose method I trust told me this and I have not verified it myself. Go to post

Building on post #18 rather than restating it.

I have three months of notes on oral contraceptives and delayed emptying and the honest summary is that the trend is real and the week-to-week numbers are noise. I nearly drew the opposite conclusion from the first fortnight.

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c.ostergaardTL29 Jul 2024#22

Oral contraceptive absorption has been studied specifically for some compounds in this class and the findings are compound-specific. Generalising from one to another is not supported.

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e.piresTL210 Jul 2024#23

Reframing oral contraceptives and delayed emptying slightly, because I think the disagreement is about the question rather than the answer. If the question is "does it happen", yes. If it is "how often", nobody here knows.

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f.amankwahTL210 Jul 2024#24

The documentation on oral contraceptives and delayed emptying is better than this thread and I say that as someone who has posted in the thread.

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t.wojcikTL210 Jul 2024#25

Post #22 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

Alcohol is not contraindicated in the labelling and it does irritate a stomach that is already emptying slowly. There is no published interaction study, and the conservative reading is the obvious one.

Marking that as an opinion rather than a finding.

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a.kowalskiTL210 Jul 2024#26

Where I part company with post #24, and it is a narrow parting.

Oral medications with a narrow therapeutic index are the ones where that matters most. The interaction is about rate and timing rather than about the total absorbed, in most published cases.

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v.bhattacharyaTL211 Jul 2024#27

This is the sort of exchange that makes the archive worth searching.

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j.dahlbergTL211 Jul 2024#28
w.moreau, post #2: The opening post and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction. Oral medications with a narrow therapeutic index are the ones where that matters most. The interaction is about rate and timing rather than about the total absorbed, in most published cases. That is the version I would defend. It is not the version I… Go to post

My understanding of oral contraceptives and delayed emptying is a few years old and may have been superseded. If it has been, I would genuinely like to know rather than keep repeating it.

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m.yilmazTL211 Jul 2024#29

An observation about oral contraceptives and delayed emptying that I cannot explain and am posting anyway, on the principle that unexplained observations are more useful public than private.

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s.duarteTL211 Jul 2024#30

Where a published interaction study exists it usually reports an area-under-curve ratio, and that number is far more informative than a yes-or-no answer.

I would be glad to be shown a cleaner way of putting this.

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