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Scheduled maintenance and what will be unavailable posts 91–120

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WendelboeTL2Member30 Mar 2025 · edited#91

For anyone finding this later: the short answer on scheduled maintenance is that it depends on one thing, and the rest of the thread is people identifying which thing.

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f.yildizTL231 Mar 2025#92

I had written a reply contradicting post #88 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

Two things can be true about scheduled maintenance at once: the mechanism is plausible and the evidence for the size of the effect is thin. Most of the argument here is people defending the first against attacks on the second.

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NHuddlestonTL1Member1 Apr 2025#93

One question about the transition rather than the policy: what happens to topics that are in flight when it takes effect? The announcement is clear about posts and silent about drafts.

Somebody will have a better source than mine, and I hope they post it.

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m.guerreroTL22 Apr 2025#94
w.verhoeven, post #42: I keep a log for scheduled maintenance specifically because my memory of it turned out to be systematically wrong in one direction. Six weeks of notes cost nothing and settled it. Go to post

Scheduled maintenance: if the site is going offline for maintenance, advance notice will be posted here with the duration and scope.

It is worth stating the boring hypothesis before the interesting one.

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dexa_twice_yearlyTL3Regular2 Apr 2025#95

Thank you for announcing it in advance rather than after. The number of places that do the reverse is remarkable.

That is a description of practice, not a recommendation of it.

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r.szaboTL23 Apr 2025#96

Good question, well framed, and I would like to see it answered properly.

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g.pemberton_ukTL3Regional · UK4 Apr 2025#97

The arithmetic in post #94 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

I disagree with the framing of scheduled maintenance above, and I think it is a substantive disagreement rather than a terminological one. Setting out why, so it can be checked.

The reasoning depends on an assumption that is doing a lot of work and is never stated. If the assumption holds, the conclusion follows. I do not think it holds generally.

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ai.vukovicTL25 Apr 2025#98
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r.vukovicTL27 Apr 2025#100

Worth saying publicly: stepping back cleanly and handing over is a service. Documents with an absent maintainer go wrong quietly, which is the worst way for them to go wrong.

That is the version I would defend. It is not the version I started with.

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LJankowiakTL3Regular7 Apr 2025 · edited#101

Building on post #100 rather than restating it.

I have three months of notes on scheduled maintenance and the honest summary is that the trend is real and the week-to-week numbers are noise. I nearly drew the opposite conclusion from the first fortnight.

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ne.laurentTL28 Apr 2025#102
n.kravchenko, post #58: Worth saying publicly: stepping back cleanly and handing over is a service. Documents with an absent maintainer go wrong quietly, which is the worst way for them to go wrong. I would put a moderate confidence on that and no more. Go to post

Nothing to add on the substance. Thank you for taking the question at face value.

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n.bridgewaterTL2Member9 Apr 2025#103
f.yildiz, post #92: I had written a reply contradicting post #88 and deleted it. Here is what survived. Two things can be true about scheduled maintenance at once: the mechanism is plausible and the evidence for the size of the effect is thin. Most of the argument here is people defending the first against attacks on the second. Go to post

Reframing scheduled maintenance slightly, because I think the disagreement is about the question rather than the answer. If the question is "does it happen", yes. If it is "how often", nobody here knows.

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a.norgaardTL210 Apr 2025#104

One question about the transition rather than the policy: what happens to topics that are in flight when it takes effect? The announcement is clear about posts and silent about drafts.

If that is already documented somewhere, ignore me and link it.

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integrator_traceTL2Member11 Apr 2025#105

Post #104 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

If you are new and reading this thread for the answer to scheduled maintenance: the answer is conditional, the conditions are in the third reply, and the rest of the thread is worth skipping.

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ak.kravchenkoTL212 Apr 2025#106
s.adebayo, post #50: Taking post #47 at face value and following it one step further. Thank you for announcing it in advance rather than after. The number of places that do the reverse is remarkable. That matches what I was told, which is not the same as knowing it. Go to post

Where I part company with post #103, and it is a narrow parting.

Offering a way to settle scheduled maintenance rather than another opinion about it. Two measurements, taken the same way, a fortnight apart. If the difference is within the noise, the question was not answerable at this precision.

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ambient_draftTL3Regular12 Apr 2025#107
bench_peak, post #85: Post #83 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one. What I want from this scheduled maintenance thread is the list of things that would need to be true for the claim to hold. If we can write that list, we can check it. Go to post

The edit is clearer. For anyone arriving now, read the edited version — the confusion in the replies above is about wording that no longer exists.

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s.lundgrenTL213 Apr 2025#108

Scheduled maintenance: if the site is going offline for maintenance, advance notice will be posted here with the duration and scope.

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BDraganovTL2Member14 Apr 2025#109

Reading rather than answering, but this is the post I would point somebody at.

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h.kimaniTL215 Apr 2025 · edited#110

Scheduled maintenance: I would want to see the raw numbers rather than the summary before agreeing. Summaries lose exactly the information that would settle this.

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c.tullochTL216 Apr 2025#111

The rare case here is the one that costs somebody a week, though, and the common case costs everyone ten seconds. I think the trade is clearly correct.

Happy to be the one who is wrong here if it settles the question.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator16 Apr 2025#112

Confirming post #110 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

If someone has run scheduled maintenance properly I would rather read that than my own reconstruction of it. Posting mine only because the thread has gone quiet.

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a.ibarraTL217 Apr 2025#113
a.vestergaard, post #75: Following this. I have the same question and no better information than the first post. Go to post

On post #110 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Agreed on scheduled maintenance, with one qualification that I think matters. The reasoning holds for the case as described. Change the starting assumption and it does not, and the starting assumption is the part nobody states.

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n.lehtinenTL218 Apr 2025#114

Thank you for announcing it in advance rather than after. The number of places that do the reverse is remarkable.

I am aware this is the third time this month I have made this point.

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l.dziedzicTL219 Apr 2025 · edited#115

Where I part company with post #113, and it is a narrow parting.

A methods point on scheduled maintenance rather than a substantive one: if the comparison is not like for like, the difference you are measuring is the difference in method.

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n.rahimiTL220 Apr 2025#116

Post #113 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

My experience of scheduled maintenance contradicts the reply above. I am posting it as a data point rather than as a refutation, because one person's experience is exactly that.

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p.amankwahTL221 Apr 2025#117
h.castellanos, post #90: Picking up post #87: that is the part I would want checked first. The rare case here is the one that costs somebody a week, though, and the common case costs everyone ten seconds. I think the trade is clearly correct. Go to post

This is the answer, and the reason it is the answer is the more useful part.

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s.leclercTL4 Moderator21 Apr 2025#118
s.girard, post #65: The documentation on scheduled maintenance is better than this thread and I say that as someone who has posted in the thread. Go to post
Staff post. Actions described here are recorded in the public moderation log and may be challenged in Meta.

Scheduled maintenance notice. The site will be read-only for a short window; nothing will be lost and nothing needs doing at your end. If a post fails to submit during it, the draft survives.

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s.silvaTL222 Apr 2025#119

Staff announcements, policy changes, and scheduled maintenance. Read-only except for questions clarifying what was announced.

Written in the hope of being told what I have missed.

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e.kimaniTL223 Apr 2025#120
m.guerrero, post #94: Scheduled maintenance: if the site is going offline for maintenance, advance notice will be posted here with the duration and scope. It is worth stating the boring hypothesis before the interesting one. Go to post

I have no financial interest in anything named in this thread and I want to say so before I comment on scheduled maintenance, because it is the sort of subject where it matters.

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