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Scheduled maintenance and what will be unavailable posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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m.nascimentoTL24 Mar 2025#61

One question about the transition rather than the policy: what happens to topics that are in flight when it takes effect? The announcement is clear about posts and silent about drafts.

I would put this at better than even and not much better.

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a.finnegan_rdTL2Dietitian4 Mar 2025#62

The rare case here is the one that costs somebody a week, though, and the common case costs everyone ten seconds. I think the trade is clearly correct.

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p.ostergaardTL25 Mar 2025#63
weekly_pin, post #49: Post #47 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction. The rare case here is the one that costs somebody a week, though, and the common case costs everyone ten seconds. I think the trade is clearly correct. Not the whole picture, but the part of it I can speak to. Go to post

Post #61 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Something worth flagging about scheduled maintenance: the strongest-sounding claims in this thread are the ones with no source attached, which is the usual pattern and not a coincidence.

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coldchain_liuTL3Regular6 Mar 2025#64

That is clearer than the version I had in my head. Thank you.

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s.girardTL27 Mar 2025#65

The documentation on scheduled maintenance is better than this thread and I say that as someone who has posted in the thread.

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logbook_erinTL3Regular8 Mar 2025 · edited#66
k.brandl_de, post #1: Scheduled maintenance and what will be unavailable Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. Collecting what is known about scheduled maintenance in one place, because it is currently spread across a category, two tag pages and a thread that is hard to find. This is a summary rather than new… Go to post

Worth saying publicly: stepping back cleanly and handing over is a service. Documents with an absent maintainer go wrong quietly, which is the worst way for them to go wrong.

Posted with less confidence than the sentence structure implies.

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f.danquahTL29 Mar 2025#67

Thank you for announcing it in advance rather than after. The number of places that do the reverse is remarkable.

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c.okaforTL3Regular10 Mar 2025#68

Taking post #65 at face value and following it one step further.

Scheduled maintenance has a well-known answer and a correct answer, and the interesting work is establishing that they are the same. Nobody has done that here yet.

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n.duarteTL211 Mar 2025#69

I read post #65 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

My position on scheduled maintenance is current rather than settled. I have revised it once already and I expect to again, so treat it accordingly.

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crossref_checkTL3Wiki editor12 Mar 2025#70

Post #69 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

The edit is clearer. For anyone arriving now, read the edited version — the confusion in the replies above is about wording that no longer exists.

This is the sort of thing the wiki should carry and currently does not.

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j.lokkenTL213 Mar 2025#71

The practical version of scheduled maintenance is three sentences long. The rigorous version is three pages and reaches the same conclusion with the conditions attached.

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s.stavrianosTL2Member14 Mar 2025#72

Everything in post #70 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

Scheduled maintenance looks different depending on whether you are reading the primary literature or the summaries of it, and the difference is not in our favour.

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a.reyesTL4 Admin14 Mar 2025#73
k.brandl_de, post #1: Scheduled maintenance and what will be unavailable Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. Collecting what is known about scheduled maintenance in one place, because it is currently spread across a category, two tag pages and a thread that is hard to find. This is a summary rather than new… Go to post
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Building on post #72 rather than restating it.

Scheduled maintenance notice. The site will be read-only for a short window; nothing will be lost and nothing needs doing at your end. If a post fails to submit during it, the draft survives.

That is the honest state of it as of this week.

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DKwiatkowskiTL3Regular15 Mar 2025#74

On scheduled maintenance the community has more anecdote than the confidence in this thread implies, and I include my own contribution in that.

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a.vestergaardTL216 Mar 2025#75

Following this. I have the same question and no better information than the first post.

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glossary_deskTL3Regular17 Mar 2025 · edited#76
m.lehtinen, post #60: An update on my earlier scheduled maintenance post: the pattern held for another six weeks and then stopped, which I did not predict and cannot explain. Go to post

I read post #74 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Careful with the language on scheduled maintenance. "Not detected" and "not present" are different findings and the first is a statement about the method.

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v.stanescuTL218 Mar 2025#77

The edit is clearer. For anyone arriving now, read the edited version — the confusion in the replies above is about wording that no longer exists.

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n.marsdenTL1Member19 Mar 2025#78

Posting my scheduled maintenance numbers with the method attached so they can be discounted properly. Uncontrolled, unblinded, and collected by someone who wanted a particular answer.

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e.nilsenTL220 Mar 2025#79

Trying to state the scheduled maintenance position in a way that someone who disagrees would recognise as fair, because I do not think the version in this thread passes that test.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator21 Mar 2025#80
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Scheduled maintenance notice. The site will be read-only for a short window; nothing will be lost and nothing needs doing at your end. If a post fails to submit during it, the draft survives.

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cohort_driftTL3Regular21 Mar 2025#81
i.almeida, post #52: Answering the question post #48 raises rather than the one it answers. Scheduled maintenance: if the site is going offline for maintenance, advance notice will be posted here with the duration and scope. Go to post

Answering the question post #79 raises rather than the one it answers.

Two questions I would want answered before drawing anything from the scheduled maintenance data above: how were the cases selected, and what happened to the ones that dropped out.

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s.okonkwoTL222 Mar 2025#82
j.sandvik, post #35: The arithmetic on scheduled maintenance is the easy part and it is where the errors are, which is an uncomfortable combination. Show your working and someone will catch it. Go to post

That is the distinction I keep failing to hold on to. Written down now.

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isotonic_driftTL1Member23 Mar 2025#83

Scheduled maintenance: I have looked for the primary source twice and failed twice. Either it does not exist or it is somewhere I do not know to look, and I would like to know which.

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m.ndiayeTL224 Mar 2025#84

Post #83 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

Worth saying publicly: stepping back cleanly and handing over is a service. Documents with an absent maintainer go wrong quietly, which is the worst way for them to go wrong.

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bench_peakTL3Regular25 Mar 2025#85

Post #83 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

What I want from this scheduled maintenance thread is the list of things that would need to be true for the claim to hold. If we can write that list, we can check it.

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IsaksenTL3Regular27 Mar 2025#87

Thank you for announcing it in advance rather than after. The number of places that do the reverse is remarkable.

Filing this under things that are true until someone shows me otherwise.

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s.vogelTL228 Mar 2025#88

I have been on both sides of the scheduled maintenance argument in this category within eighteen months, which should tell you how strong the evidence for either side is.

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KStephanopoulosTL3Regular28 Mar 2025#89
glossary_desk, post #76: I read post #74 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Careful with the language on scheduled maintenance. "Not detected" and "not present" are different findings and the first is a statement about the method. Go to post

Having read the whole scheduled maintenance thread before replying: the question in the first post has not actually been answered yet, and three of us have answered a nearby one instead.

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h.castellanosTL229 Mar 2025#90

Picking up post #87: that is the part I would want checked first.

The rare case here is the one that costs somebody a week, though, and the common case costs everyone ten seconds. I think the trade is clearly correct.

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