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Coming back to: Specificity, linearity, accuracy, precision, range, robustness — with real criteria posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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o.abrahamsenTL3Regular24 May 2026#31

System suitability: injections run at the start of a batch to establish that the instrument and column are performing. Acceptance criteria typically include replicate precision (RSD ≤2%), peak tailing (0.8–1.5), theoretical plates (>2000), and resolution (>1.5).

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m.nwosuTL225 May 2026#32

Range: the concentration range over which the method has been validated. Going outside the validated range is going outside the method's demonstrated performance.

Reporting the observation and leaving the explanation open deliberately.

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e.kjeldsenTL2Member26 May 2026#33
s.teixeira, post #13: Precision has two levels worth distinguishing: repeatability within a run and intermediate precision across days, analysts and instruments. The second is where most methods lose the numbers people quote. Go to post

On post #29 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Specificity looks different depending on whether you are reading the primary literature or the summaries of it, and the difference is not in our favour.

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p.lindqvistTL227 May 2026 · edited#34

I would keep Specificity and the decision it usually gets used for separate in this thread. They are related and they are not the same question, and merging them is why the last one went badly.

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crossover_entryTL3Regular28 May 2026#35

Linearity: the detector response is proportional to compound concentration across the working range. Demonstrated by running standards at multiple concentrations and showing R-squared values typically ≥0.99.

Adding the caveat now so it does not have to be extracted later.

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br.wikstromTL229 May 2026#36

Post #33 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Small methodological point on Specificity: repeating a measurement is cheap and resolves most of what is being argued about here at no cost to anyone.

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gradient_reviewTL2Member30 May 2026#37
g.tanaka, post #18: Precision and repeatability: within-run and between-run variability of the method. Acceptance criterion is typically a relative standard deviation of ≤2% for area measurements. Go to post

Reading back through, this was answered upthread and I missed it. My fault.

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t.vargaTL231 May 2026#38

Robustness: the method gives consistent results when minor parameters vary. Tested by deliberately varying pH, temperature, flow rate, and mobile phase composition within reasonable ranges and demonstrating that results stay within acceptance.

This is the version I would want a new member to read first.

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BGiordanoTL2Member1 Jun 2026#39

Post #38 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Trying to state the Specificity position in a way that someone who disagrees would recognise as fair, because I do not think the version in this thread passes that test.

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a.mwangiTL22 Jun 2026#40

Fair, and the limits you put on it are the part I will remember.

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ai.wikstromTL23 Jun 2026#41

Taking post #38 at face value and following it one step further.

Reporting a result to more decimal places than the method's precision supports is a small dishonesty that appears everywhere. A method with a two per cent relative standard deviation does not support a figure quoted to a hundredth.

The honest answer is that it depends, and here is what it depends on.

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t.steenkampTL2Member4 Jun 2026#42

Forced degradation under acid, base, oxidation, heat and light is how specificity is actually demonstrated. The chromatograms from that work are more informative than the release data.

That has held every time I have looked, which is not the same as always.

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c.nybergTL25 Jun 2026#43

An independent laboratory's method being different from the supplier's is not a discrepancy. It becomes one only when the results differ by more than both methods' demonstrated precision.

That holds under the stated conditions and I have stated them.

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h.hutchingsTL1Member6 Jun 2026#44
o.abrahamsen, post #31: System suitability: injections run at the start of a batch to establish that the instrument and column are performing. Acceptance criteria typically include replicate precision (RSD ≤2%), peak tailing (0.8–1.5), theoretical plates (>2000), and resolution (>1.5). Go to post

Range and working range are different things and a certificate rarely distinguishes them. The relevant one is the range over which this particular sample was measured.

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m.marchettiTL27 Jun 2026#45

Appreciated. The plain phrasing does more work here than a longer post would.

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l.sarkissianTL28 Jun 2026#46
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n.ramosTL28 Jun 2026#47
g.tanaka, post #18: Precision and repeatability: within-run and between-run variability of the method. Acceptance criterion is typically a relative standard deviation of ≤2% for area measurements. Go to post

Robustness testing deliberately varies the parameters most likely to drift — organic percentage, pH, temperature, flow — and shows the result does not. It is the part of validation that predicts whether a method will transfer.

If it helps: the failure mode here is usually boring rather than dramatic.

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IHollingworthTL2Member9 Jun 2026#48
a.nyberg, post #28: Limits of detection and quantitation: LOD is the lowest concentration that produces a signal above background. LOQ is the lowest concentration at which the method meets precision and accuracy acceptance criteria. Both are determined empirically. Go to post

Linearity across the working range is a routine demonstration and it constrains how far a result can be extrapolated. A method linear from 80 to 120 per cent of nominal says nothing about a sample at ten per cent.

I looked this up rather than remembered it, which is the right order.

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r.sobczakTL210 Jun 2026#49

A definition problem is doing most of the work in this Specificity discussion. Once the term is pinned down I suspect the disagreement mostly goes away and what is left is small.

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e.almeidaTL2Member11 Jun 2026 · edited#50

On post #48 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Specificity is the first question: does the method separate the analyte from everything reasonably expected to be present? A method that has not been challenged with its own degradation products has not answered it.

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a.weissTL212 Jun 2026#51
so.mbeki, post #6: I read post #4 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite. Accuracy: the method measures what you intend to measure. For purity methods, this is tested by spike-and-recover experiments: add a known amount of impurity to a sample and measure whether you recover the added amount. Go to post

The version of Specificity that circulates here is a simplification of a simplification. It is not wrong, but it has lost the conditions under which it holds, and those conditions are where the interesting cases live.

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a.almeidaTL213 Jun 2026#52

Post #51 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

Precision has two levels worth distinguishing: repeatability within a run and intermediate precision across days, analysts and instruments. The second is where most methods lose the numbers people quote.

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e.mbekiTL214 Jun 2026 · edited#53

Noted, and thank you for writing it out rather than summarising it.

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microgramsTL2Regular15 Jun 2026#54

Agreed on Specificity, with one qualification that I think matters. The reasoning holds for the case as described. Change the starting assumption and it does not, and the starting assumption is the part nobody states.

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j.ivaturiTL216 Jun 2026#55
d.szymanski, post #12: Accuracy for a purity assay is usually demonstrated by spike recovery across a range. Without a reference standard, that is exactly the work that cannot be done, which is why reference material matters. Go to post

Post #51 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Specificity: the method can distinguish the intended compound from related impurities and degradation products. Tested by comparing results on pure compounds, mixtures of compounds, and degraded samples.

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revision_historyTL3Wiki editor16 Jun 2026#56

Building on post #55 rather than restating it.

Precision and repeatability: within-run and between-run variability of the method. Acceptance criterion is typically a relative standard deviation of ≤2% for area measurements.

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m.ramosTL217 Jun 2026#57

Taking Specificity seriously for a moment rather than deflecting: the honest position is that the community has observations and no controlled comparison, and those two things support very different sentences.

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b.oylerTL1Member18 Jun 2026#58

The reason Specificity keeps being re-asked is that the answer is conditional and people quote it without the condition. It is not that the answer is unknown.

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s.roosTL219 Jun 2026#59
e.mbeki, post #53: Noted, and thank you for writing it out rather than summarising it. Go to post

Post #55 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Accuracy: the method measures what you intend to measure. For purity methods, this is tested by spike-and-recover experiments: add a known amount of impurity to a sample and measure whether you recover the added amount.

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desiccant_notesTL2Member20 Jun 2026#60
ai.wikstrom, post #41: Taking post #38 at face value and following it one step further. Reporting a result to more decimal places than the method's precision supports is a small dishonesty that appears everywhere. A method with a two per cent relative standard deviation does not support a figure quoted to a hundredth. The honest answer is that it depends, and… Go to post

Useful. I had the fact and not the reason, which turns out to be the important half.

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