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How to ask for a dose change without antagonising anyone

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Solved by c.inglethorpe in post #8
Prescription logistics: confirm whether it will be filled locally, requires mail order, or will be prescribed off-label and needs a compounding pharmacy. Different paths have different implications.

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NorringtonTL3Regular23 Jun 2024#1

The question in the title: How to ask for a dose change without antagonising anyone I will give what I have already checked below so nobody repeats it.

A question about how to describe something to a clinician rather than about the thing itself.

I have a set of observations, dated, with what I was doing at the time. What I do not have is a sense of which parts are worth an appointment's limited minutes.

How would you prioritise this if it were yours to present?

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l.piresTL230 Jun 2024#2

Narrowing the opening post, because the general version has more than one answer.

Prescription logistics: confirm whether it will be filled locally, requires mail order, or will be prescribed off-label and needs a compounding pharmacy. Different paths have different implications.

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m.ekstromTL25 Jul 2024#3

That matches what I have seen, for whatever a single anecdote is worth.

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m.eriksenTL29 Jul 2024 · edited#4

Nothing here is medical advice, and this subcategory exists to help people ask better questions rather than to answer them.

The variance between people here is larger than the effect being discussed.

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m.restrepoTL213 Jul 2024#5
m.eriksen, post #4: Nothing here is medical advice, and this subcategory exists to help people ask better questions rather than to answer them. The variance between people here is larger than the effect being discussed. Go to post

I read post #4 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Bringing a record of symptoms with dates and severities makes an assessment materially easier and is the single most useful preparation.

Speaking for myself and not for anyone else who has posted here.

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ThibodeauTL3Regular17 Jul 2024#6

A question phrased as "what would you want to see before considering X" is answerable and is not a request for X.

Not the whole picture, but the part of it I can speak to.

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f.chowdhuryTL221 Jul 2024#7

Questions about dose: asking "how will we determine whether this dose is working for me" gets at the monitoring plan. Asking "can we start lower" or "can we escalate slower" opens that conversation.

That matches what I was told, which is not the same as knowing it.

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c.inglethorpeTL3Regular Solution24 Jul 2024#8

Prescription logistics: confirm whether it will be filled locally, requires mail order, or will be prescribed off-label and needs a compounding pharmacy. Different paths have different implications.

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r.molnarTL228 Jul 2024#9

Bringing a record of symptoms with dates and severities makes an assessment materially easier and is the single most useful preparation.

Noting that I have skin in this question and have tried to discount for it.

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taper_shiftTL3Regular31 Jul 2024#10
Norrington, post #1: The question in the title: How to ask for a dose change without antagonising anyone I will give what I have already checked below so nobody repeats it. A question about how to describe something to a clinician rather than about the thing itself. I have a set of observations, dated, with what I was doing at the time. What I do not have… Go to post

Discussing side effects: be specific. "Nausea" is less useful than "I have nausea worst 24 to 36 hours after injection, severity 2 to 3 out of 4, stable over weeks". That description helps determine whether to adjust dose or dose timing.

Adding the caveat now so it does not have to be extracted later.

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r.chukwuTL23 Aug 2024#11

Narrowing post #8, because the general version has more than one answer.

A question phrased as "what would you want to see before considering X" is answerable and is not a request for X.

Happy to expand any of that if it is the useful part.

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BramleyTL2Member6 Aug 2024#12

Everything in post #10 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

Clarifying indication: if a compound is approved for diabetes but you have obesity without diabetes, clarify whether your clinician considers this off-label use and what the evidence basis is.

Scoping that to what I have actually seen rather than what I have read.

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p.boatengTL210 Aug 2024#13
c.inglethorpe, post #8: Prescription logistics: confirm whether it will be filled locally, requires mail order, or will be prescribed off-label and needs a compounding pharmacy. Different paths have different implications. Go to post

Prescription logistics: confirm whether it will be filled locally, requires mail order, or will be prescribed off-label and needs a compounding pharmacy. Different paths have different implications.

Second-hand, so weight it accordingly.

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TavaresTL1Member13 Aug 2024 · edited#14
r.chukwu, post #11: Narrowing post #8, because the general version has more than one answer. A question phrased as "what would you want to see before considering X" is answerable and is not a request for X. Happy to expand any of that if it is the useful part. Go to post

A question phrased as "what would you want to see before considering X" is answerable and is not a request for X.

Posting it because the silence on this was starting to look like agreement.

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s.ferreiraTL216 Aug 2024#15

Bringing a record of symptoms with dates and severities makes an assessment materially easier and is the single most useful preparation.

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o.cousineauTL3Regular19 Aug 2024#16

I read post #14 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

A question phrased as "what would you want to see before considering X" is answerable and is not a request for X.

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r.mwangiTL222 Aug 2024#17
r.molnar, post #9: Bringing a record of symptoms with dates and severities makes an assessment materially easier and is the single most useful preparation. Noting that I have skin in this question and have tried to discount for it. Go to post

Fair, and the limits you put on it are the part I will remember.

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c.niemelTL3Regular24 Aug 2024 · edited#18

Prescription logistics: confirm whether it will be filled locally, requires mail order, or will be prescribed off-label and needs a compounding pharmacy. Different paths have different implications.

Worth checking against a second source before it gets quoted onward.

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t.ibarraTL227 Aug 2024#19

A question phrased as "what would you want to see before considering X" is answerable and is not a request for X.

Anyone with a larger sample, please post it.

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IsaksenTL3Regular30 Aug 2024#20

Bringing a record of symptoms with dates and severities makes an assessment materially easier and is the single most useful preparation.

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k.batistaTL22 Sep 2024#21

Prescription logistics: confirm whether it will be filled locally, requires mail order, or will be prescribed off-label and needs a compounding pharmacy. Different paths have different implications.

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crossover_reviewTL3Regular5 Sep 2024#22

A question phrased as "what would you want to see before considering X" is answerable and is not a request for X.

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n.boatengTL27 Sep 2024#23
r.molnar, post #9: Bringing a record of symptoms with dates and severities makes an assessment materially easier and is the single most useful preparation. Noting that I have skin in this question and have tried to discount for it. Go to post

Post #19 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Discussing off-label dosing: if you want to dose differently than the label specifies (slower titration, higher final dose), discussing that explicitly and understanding the clinician's reasoning is better than self-prescribing.

If the premise is wrong, everything after it is decoration.

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g.pemberton_ukTL3Regional · UK10 Sep 2024#24

Taking post #23 at face value and following it one step further.

Asking what would change the plan is more productive than asking whether the plan is right. It gets you the decision criteria rather than a verdict.

Correct me on the arithmetic if it is wrong; I would rather know.

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