Reduced appetite makes fuelling a session harder, and that is a practical problem with practical solutions rather than a reason to stop.
Progressive overload when the scale is falling — one year on posts 31–60
This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.
On post #30 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.
I would put moderate confidence on the mainstream reading of Progressive overload and no more. That is not scepticism for its own sake; it is where the sourcing actually stops.
Acknowledging rather than arguing. The reasoning holds as far as I can follow it.
Cardiovascular work has its own benefits and is not a substitute for a resistance stimulus for this particular purpose.
The reasoning is more useful than the number, which is why I have shown it.
Worth separating two things that post #34 runs together.
My experience of Progressive overload contradicts the reply above. I am posting it as a data point rather than as a refutation, because one person's experience is exactly that.
I keep a log for Progressive overload specifically because my memory of it turned out to be systematically wrong in one direction. Six weeks of notes cost nothing and settled it.
Post #39 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.
The reports here that state the programme, the load and the timeframe are useful. The ones that state an outcome are not.
If this contradicts something upthread, the upthread version may well be the better one.
Adding the measurement that post #39 says would settle it.
Anybody returning after a break should expect to start lower than they left, and expecting otherwise is where injuries come from.
Two people in this thread mean different things by Progressive overload and are disagreeing about the definition while believing they are disagreeing about the facts. Worth pausing to define it.
A methods point on Progressive overload rather than a substantive one: if the comparison is not like for like, the difference you are measuring is the difference in method.
Answering the question post #43 raises rather than the one it answers.
Nothing here is medical advice and anybody with a relevant condition should have a programme reviewed by somebody qualified rather than assembled from a forum.
Adding a reference point for Progressive overload. Mine is a single case, collected without controls, and I am posting the method alongside it so it can be discounted appropriately.
Grateful for the specificity. Vague answers to this question are what sent me looking.
Post #46 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.
Practical answer on Progressive overload, since the theoretical one is upthread: do the simplest check first, write down the result, and only then decide whether the complicated explanation is needed. It usually is not.
Strength and hypertrophy respond to different things, and preserving one during a deficit is a different objective from building the other.
Narrowing post #50, because the general version has more than one answer.
An observation about Progressive overload that I cannot explain and am posting anyway, on the principle that unexplained observations are more useful public than private.
Everything in post #48 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.
Cardiovascular work has its own benefits and is not a substitute for a resistance stimulus for this particular purpose.
A modest claim, modestly supported.
Reduced appetite makes fuelling a session harder, and that is a practical problem with practical solutions rather than a reason to stop.
The arithmetic in post #54 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.
Two sentences on Progressive overload and then I will stop, because the rest is speculation and the thread is better without mine.
What is documented is narrow. What is inferred from it is broad. The gap between them is where every argument here lives.
Practical experience of Progressive overload, offered as one case with the conditions stated, not as a general finding. Conditions first, because they are what make it interpretable.
Post #56 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.
Anybody returning after a break should expect to start lower than they left, and expecting otherwise is where injuries come from.
The bit of Progressive overload that nobody enjoys is that the answer changes depending on what you are trying to decide with it. Say what the decision is and the thread will converge.
Right — I had this wrong and I am glad to have read it before it mattered.