On ipamorelin selectivity claims the community has more anecdote than the confidence in this thread implies, and I include my own contribution in that.
Ipamorelin selectivity claims and where they came from posts 31–57
This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.
Storage: these are lyophilised short peptides and are generally reasonably stable dry and considerably less so in solution. Reconstituting only what will be used within the period the supplier's own data covers is the conservative approach.
I have separated what I observed from what I concluded, which does not always happen.
The arithmetic in post #30 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.
I would keep ipamorelin selectivity claims and the decision it usually gets used for separate in this thread. They are related and they are not the same question, and merging them is why the last one went badly.
Helpful, and short, which on this subject is harder than long.
A mass result for a short peptide is more discriminating than for a long one, because a single residue difference is a larger proportion of the total. That makes identity confirmation genuinely useful here.
A qualification I should have led with rather than closed on.
Post #32 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.
Where I would push back on the ipamorelin selectivity claims consensus is the confidence, not the direction. The direction looks right. The confidence is borrowed.
Collapsed as off-topic by two members at trust level 3 or above
Development history is more informative than speculation: ipamorelin was investigated clinically for post-operative ileus and was not taken forward to registration. That it was not brought to market tells you something about the cost-benefit calculation that any amount of forum enthusiasm does not.
An honest declaration on ipamorelin selectivity claims: I have a prior here and it is strong enough that you should weight what I say downward. Stating it rather than hiding it.
Post #36 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.
Research-use-only secretagogues are not approved for human use. That statement is doing real work in this subcategory, where the published evidence base is thinner than the volume of confident discussion.
Post #41 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.
Why this subcategory is stricter about sourcing than most: the evidence base is weaker and that is precisely why documentation quality matters more. A supplier page that clearly identifies the compound and the purity is more valuable for secretagogues than for incretin agonists where the evidence base is stronger.
Worth separating two things that post #41 runs together.
The question underneath ipamorelin selectivity claims is usually "how would I tell?" rather than "what is true?", and that one has a method attached to it.
Write down what you would expect to see under each hypothesis before you collect anything. If they predict the same observation, collecting it will not help.
Small correction to my own earlier position on ipamorelin selectivity claims. I had the units the wrong way round, which changes the conclusion by an order of magnitude and therefore changes it entirely.
Coming back to post #41, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.
Effects reported at the level of appetite are the most consistently described and the most mechanistically direct for the ghrelin-receptor compounds, which is not what most people are taking them for.
Post #45 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.
Two things can be true about ipamorelin selectivity claims at once: the mechanism is plausible and the evidence for the size of the effect is thin. Most of the argument here is people defending the first against attacks on the second.
The confident answers on ipamorelin selectivity claims and the well-sourced answers are not the same answers, which is the most useful thing I have learned reading this category.
That reframing is the whole thing. The facts I already had.
Injection-site reactions are reported more often in this family than for the incretins. Whether that is the compounds or the preparations they are typically supplied in is not established.
The strength of my opinion here exceeds the strength of my evidence.
Post #48 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.
The honest answer on ipamorelin selectivity claims is that it depends, and the useful part is the list of what it depends on. Four items, in rough order of how much they matter.
Most people get the first two right and then argue about the fourth.
I read the earlier replies on ipamorelin selectivity claims twice before writing this, because I had assumed the opposite and wanted to be sure I was disagreeing with what was said rather than what I expected.
Why this subcategory is stricter about sourcing than most: the evidence base is weaker and that is precisely why documentation quality matters more. A supplier page that clearly identifies the compound and the purity is more valuable for secretagogues than for incretin agonists where the evidence base is stronger.
That is my reading. Someone else read the same page differently and was reasonable.
Confirming post #52 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.
Ipamorelin is usually described as selective in that it produces less of an effect on cortisol and prolactin than earlier compounds in the family. Selective is a relative claim and the comparison group matters.
I have seen it go both ways, which is why I hedge.
I had written a reply contradicting post #54 and deleted it. Here is what survived.
My position on ipamorelin selectivity claims is current rather than settled. I have revised it once already and I expect to again, so treat it accordingly.
Ipamorelin selectivity claims came up in a thread eighteen months ago and was answered well. I cannot find it, which is itself the problem, so here is the reconstruction.
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- Tesamorelin has an approved indication — what that changes about the evidenceCompounds › Secretagogues & GH axis · 27 replies
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