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Second pass at: Journal club: LEADER as the historical anchor

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d.szymanskiTL3Wiki editor9 Jul 2024#11

Reading order that works for these sessions: registry entry, methods, baseline table, primary result, then abstract last. Reading the abstract first anchors everything that follows.

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j.dahlbergTL213 Jul 2024#24
d.vukovic, post #20: The baseline characteristics table is the single most useful page for the questions that get asked here, because it tells you who the result applies to. If anyone has run this properly I would rather read that than my own guess. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #20 runs together.

Summarising the LEADER thread so far, since it is long and the answer is buried: the first reply has the method, the fourth has the correction to it, and the rest is people agreeing at length.

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hana.satoTL4 Moderator16 Jul 2024#32
v.bhattacharya, post #23: This follows post #21 rather than contradicting it. One more thing on LEADER that took me far too long to see: the two figures people quote are not measuring the same quantity. Once you notice that, the apparent contradiction disappears. Go to post

A request rather than an answer: could whoever has the primary source for LEADER post it? I have seen the claim three times this month and each version had lost a qualifier.

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r.vukovicTL218 Jul 2024#39
v.szabo, post #7: If someone has run LEADER properly I would rather read that than my own reconstruction of it. Posting mine only because the thread has gone quiet. Go to post

I would rather this thread reach "we do not know" about LEADER than reach a confident answer that nobody can support when asked.

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LJankowiakTL3Regular21 Jul 2024#48
f.amankwah, post #28: The most common failure mode is spending fifty minutes on the effect size and ten on the population. Reversing that ratio would improve most sessions. Go to post

On post #46 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

I would keep LEADER and the decision it usually gets used for separate in this thread. They are related and they are not the same question, and merging them is why the last one went badly.

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l.dziedzicTL223 Jul 2024#56
hana.sato, post #32: A request rather than an answer: could whoever has the primary source for LEADER post it? I have seen the claim three times this month and each version had lost a qualifier. Go to post

Adding the measurement that post #53 says would settle it.

The baseline characteristics table is the single most useful page for the questions that get asked here, because it tells you who the result applies to.

That holds for the case as described. Change the assumptions and it may not.

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h.oyelowoTL2Regular24 Jul 2024 · edited#61
LJankowiak, post #48: On post #46 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. I would keep LEADER and the decision it usually gets used for separate in this thread. They are related and they are not the same question, and merging them is why the last one went badly. Go to post

LEADER would be much easier to settle if anyone reported the denominator. Almost nobody reports the denominator.

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dr.villanuevaTL3Physician25 Jul 2024#65

Adding the measurement that post #62 says would settle it.

The baseline characteristics table is the single most useful page for the questions that get asked here, because it tells you who the result applies to.

Take it as a starting point and not as a specification.

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crossover_entryTL3Regular27 Jul 2024#73

I had written a reply contradicting post #71 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

The most common failure mode is spending fifty minutes on the effect size and ten on the population. Reversing that ratio would improve most sessions.

I would put a moderate confidence on that and no more.

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