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Two sessions a week versus four: what the evidence supports — a second dataset

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r.girardTL226 May 2024#1

Two sessions a week versus four: what the evidence supports — a second dataset — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

Reporting rather than asking, and the method is stated so the numbers mean something.

Same sessions logged the same way for 27 weeks, with load and reps recorded each time and intake tracked for one week in four rather than continuously.

What I want to know is whether the pattern in the middle is what everybody sees and nobody writes down.

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k.chukwuTL229 May 2024#2

This follows the opening post rather than contradicting it.

Anybody returning after a break should expect to start lower than they left, and expecting otherwise is where injuries come from.

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isotonic_reviewTL1Member1 Jun 2024#3

Reduced appetite makes fuelling a session harder, and that is a practical problem with practical solutions rather than a reason to stop.

This is where my knowledge stops and I would rather mark the edge than blur it.

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k.kimaniTL23 Jun 2024#4

Cardiovascular work has its own benefits and is not a substitute for a resistance stimulus for this particular purpose.

Anyone with a larger sample, please post it.

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septum_entryTL2Member5 Jun 2024 · edited#5

Second this, and I would have said it less carefully.

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f.laurentTL27 Jun 2024#6

Frequency matters less than consistency and progression. Two sessions a week done every week beats four sessions done occasionally.

The short answer was in the first line; everything after is the working.

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LundqvistTL2Member8 Jun 2024#7

The reports here that state the programme, the load and the timeframe are useful. The ones that state an outcome are not.

The right answer here may simply be that it has not been measured.

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j.solbergTL210 Jun 2024#8
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k.bettencourtTL2Member12 Jun 2024#9
k.chukwu, post #2: This follows the opening post rather than contradicting it. Anybody returning after a break should expect to start lower than they left, and expecting otherwise is where injuries come from. Go to post

Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited.

One case, stated as one case.

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s.radichTL214 Jun 2024 · edited#10
k.bettencourt, post #9: Frequency: three sessions per week of full-body training is easier to maintain than higher frequencies on an energy deficit. Consistency beats intensity when recovery capacity is limited. One case, stated as one case. Go to post

Cardiovascular work has its own benefits and is not a substitute for a resistance stimulus for this particular purpose.

I keep a log of this specifically because memory is unreliable about it.

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s.ivaturiTL215 Jun 2024 · edited#11
j.solberg, post #8: Nothing here is medical advice and anybody with a relevant condition should have a programme reviewed by somebody qualified rather than assembled from a forum. Go to post

Picking up post #9: that is the part I would want checked first.

Reduced appetite makes fuelling a session harder, and that is a practical problem with practical solutions rather than a reason to stop.

Speaking for myself and not for anyone else who has posted here.

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citation_peakTL3Regular17 Jun 2024#12

That matches what I have seen, for whatever a single anecdote is worth.

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z.szaboTL218 Jun 2024#13

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

Written in the hope of being told what I have missed.

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k.redgraveTL2Member20 Jun 2024#14

Recording sessions is what makes progression visible. Without a log, load creep and load decline both go unnoticed.

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s.demirTL221 Jun 2024#15
s.radich, post #10: Cardiovascular work has its own benefits and is not a substitute for a resistance stimulus for this particular purpose. I keep a log of this specifically because memory is unreliable about it. Go to post

A resistance stimulus during a deficit is the other half of the lean-tissue argument, and the evidence for it is reasonably strong.

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o.pasqualeTL1Member23 Jun 2024#16

Post #14 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

Anybody returning after a break should expect to start lower than they left, and expecting otherwise is where injuries come from.

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ma.nascimentoTL224 Jun 2024#17

Confirming post #16 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

The reports here that state the programme, the load and the timeframe are useful. The ones that state an outcome are not.

That matches what I was told, which is not the same as knowing it.

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l.parkinsonTL2Member25 Jun 2024#18
j.solberg, post #8: Nothing here is medical advice and anybody with a relevant condition should have a programme reviewed by somebody qualified rather than assembled from a forum. Go to post

Nothing here is medical advice and anybody with a relevant condition should have a programme reviewed by somebody qualified rather than assembled from a forum.

Not the whole picture, but the part of it I can speak to.

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i.lehtinenTL227 Jun 2024#19
l.parkinson, post #18: Nothing here is medical advice and anybody with a relevant condition should have a programme reviewed by somebody qualified rather than assembled from a forum. Not the whole picture, but the part of it I can speak to. Go to post

This is the sort of exchange that makes the archive worth searching.

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unit_conversionTL3Regular28 Jun 2024 · edited#20

Recording sessions is what makes progression visible. Without a log, load creep and load decline both go unnoticed.

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a.kowalczykTL2Regular30 Jun 2024 · edited#21

Frequency matters less than consistency and progression. Two sessions a week done every week beats four sessions done occasionally.

Flagging that the sources on this are thinner than the confidence in the thread suggests.

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y.ibarraTL21 Jul 2024#22

Cardiovascular work has its own benefits and is not a substitute for a resistance stimulus for this particular purpose.

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d.moreauTL2Regular2 Jul 2024#23

Coming back to post #20, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Reduced appetite makes fuelling a session harder, and that is a practical problem with practical solutions rather than a reason to stop.

The part I am sure of is shorter than the part I have written.

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r.lundgrenTL24 Jul 2024#24
a.kowalczyk, post #21: Frequency matters less than consistency and progression. Two sessions a week done every week beats four sessions done occasionally. Flagging that the sources on this are thinner than the confidence in the thread suggests. Go to post

Agreed on all of that, and I have nothing to add to it.

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o.lindgrenTL2Regular5 Jul 2024#25

Post #23 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

Nothing here is medical advice and anybody with a relevant condition should have a programme reviewed by somebody qualified rather than assembled from a forum.

The literature is thinner on this than the confidence in the thread implies.

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n.cardosoTL26 Jul 2024#26

Anybody returning after a break should expect to start lower than they left, and expecting otherwise is where injuries come from.

If this contradicts something upthread, the upthread version may well be the better one.

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forest_plotTL3Evidence synthesis7 Jul 2024#27

The reports here that state the programme, the load and the timeframe are useful. The ones that state an outcome are not.

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a.pereiraTL29 Jul 2024#28
y.ibarra, post #22: Cardiovascular work has its own benefits and is not a substitute for a resistance stimulus for this particular purpose. Go to post

Confirming post #27 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Volume: the number of sets per muscle group per week that supports muscle maintenance is roughly 12 to 18 hard sets. That varies by individual but gives a target range.

I would rather be precise about what I do not know than vague about what I do.

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erratum_fileTL3Regular10 Jul 2024#29
s.radich, post #10: Cardiovascular work has its own benefits and is not a substitute for a resistance stimulus for this particular purpose. I keep a log of this specifically because memory is unreliable about it. Go to post

Same experience here, different supplier, so it is at least not unique to one of them.

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h.jansenTL211 Jul 2024#30

The arithmetic in post #27 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Cardiovascular work has its own benefits and is not a substitute for a resistance stimulus for this particular purpose.

That is all I can say without guessing.

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