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When a preprint is the best available evidence and we say so — a second dataset

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Solved by s.dziedzic in post #3
Say it is a preprint in the first line rather than the last. Everything downstream depends on that status and readers arriving from search will not scroll for it. Not the whole picture, but the part of it I can speak to.

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w.moreauTL227 Aug 2024#1

When a preprint is the best available evidence and we say so — a second dataset I have a specific reason for asking rather than idle curiosity, and the context is below.

A preprint question rather than a question about the finding in it.

The manuscript is on a preprint server, dated, with a version number I have written down. It has not been through review and the authors say so in the header. What I cannot work out is how much weight that leaves it carrying.

I would like the reasoning rather than a rule. "Wait for publication" is not usable when the publication may be two years away and the question is now.

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d.barrosTL220 Sep 2024#2

Picking up the opening post: that is the part I would want checked first.

Preprint is a good example of a question where the honest answer is boring and the interesting answers are unsupported. I would go with boring.

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s.dziedzicTL2 Solution7 Oct 2024#3
w.moreau, post #1: When a preprint is the best available evidence and we say so — a second dataset I have a specific reason for asking rather than idle curiosity, and the context is below. A preprint question rather than a question about the finding in it. The manuscript is on a preprint server, dated, with a version number I have written down. It has not… Go to post

Say it is a preprint in the first line rather than the last. Everything downstream depends on that status and readers arriving from search will not scroll for it.

Not the whole picture, but the part of it I can speak to.

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c.adebayoTL223 Oct 2024#4

Agreed on all of that, and I have nothing to add to it.

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va.baptistaTL26 Nov 2024#5

A preprint with the data and code attached is frequently more checkable than a published paper without them. Reviewed and reproducible are different properties.

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so.cardosoTL219 Nov 2024#6
c.adebayo, post #4: Agreed on all of that, and I have nothing to add to it. Go to post

Adding the measurement that post #5 says would settle it.

Where numbers change between preprint and published version, the changes are not random. They tend toward a smaller effect and a more carefully hedged claim.

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j.asanteTL22 Dec 2024 · edited#7

Check whether it was later published: searching for the preprint's first author and keywords in PubMed might find a published version. The published version is the stronger citation if it exists.

Adding the caveat now so it does not have to be extracted later.

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t.vasquezTL4 Moderator15 Dec 2024#8

Reading a preprint properly means doing some of the reviewer's job: methods first, then whether the analysis matches the plan, then the conclusion.

Happy to be the one who is wrong here if it settles the question.

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h.delgadoTL227 Dec 2024#9

Same experience here, different supplier, so it is at least not unique to one of them.

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compounding_ruthTL4Pharmacist8 Jan 2025#10

How to cite a preprint: author last name, first initial, et al. Title. Server name [preprint]. Posted date. Doi. Include the server name and note that it is a preprint.

Someone should write this up properly, and it should probably not be me.

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s.beaulieuTL219 Jan 2025#11

Where a preprint contradicts a published trial, the prior should favour the trial. Where it extends one, the preprint can be genuinely useful.

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JFitzgibbonTL2Member30 Jan 2025#12

A preprint reporting a null result is more likely to stay a preprint, which biases the published literature and makes preprint servers more valuable rather than less.

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n.nakamuraTL210 Feb 2025#13

Confirming post #10 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

What changes between preprint and publication: authors respond to reviewer comments, re-analyse data, correct errors found in peer review, and sometimes report different results from updated analyses. The published version is not the same as the preprint.

Genuinely open to being wrong about this one.

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a.salcedoTL3Regular21 Feb 2025#14
va.baptista, post #5: A preprint with the data and code attached is frequently more checkable than a published paper without them. Reviewed and reproducible are different properties. Go to post

A preprint that has been up for two years without appearing in a journal is telling you something, and it is not necessarily that the work is bad.

The part I am sure of is shorter than the part I have written.

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a.sorensenTL24 Mar 2025#15

Screening on a preprint server is minimal and is not review. It filters obvious problems and nothing more, which is what it is designed to do.

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s.duarteTL214 Mar 2025#16

Worth separating two things that post #12 runs together.

Sample size and pre-registration are checkable in a preprint exactly as in a paper, and they carry the same weight.

Flagging that the sources on this are thinner than the confidence in the thread suggests.

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v.bhattacharyaTL224 Mar 2025#17

Server repositories: medRxiv for medicine, bioRxiv for biology. Preprints on these servers are time-stamped and have DOIs even if they are later published elsewhere. Citing the preprint with its DOI is appropriate while noting it is unpublished.

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s.rasmussenTL23 Apr 2025#18
h.delgado, post #9: Same experience here, different supplier, so it is at least not unique to one of them. Go to post

Author track record is a weak signal and it is a signal. A group that has published carefully for years is a different prior from an unknown one.

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f.wojcikTL213 Apr 2025#19

Thank you — that answers what I came here to find out.

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f.fonsecaTL223 Apr 2025#20

If you cite a preprint in a maintained document here, the convention is to label it in the sentence and to note the check date. The document review will catch the update.

I am confident about the direction and much less about the magnitude.

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l.ferreiraTL23 May 2025 · edited#21

Worth separating two things that post #17 runs together.

Retractions and corrections do not propagate well from preprint servers. A citation that was fine when made can quietly become wrong.

Adding it in case it saves somebody the afternoon it cost me.

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h.koodziejTL2Member13 May 2025#22

Version numbers on a preprint server matter. Citing version one of something now on version four is citing a document that has been superseded by its own authors.

For what it is worth, the same held on the two occasions I checked.

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an.adeyemiTL222 May 2025#23
a.sorensen, post #15: Screening on a preprint server is minimal and is not review. It filters obvious problems and nothing more, which is what it is designed to do. Go to post

Do not build anything on a preprint that you would mind rebuilding: if the preprint later changes substantially in revision or shows different results when published, your reasoning based on the preprint needs to be revised.

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e.silvaTL21 Jun 2025#24

Fine by me. I had wanted a stronger conclusion and there is not one available.

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lu.cabreraTL210 Jun 2025#25

On post #21 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Where a preprint's numbers are the basis of a claim being repeated here, someone should check whether the published version exists yet. That check is nearly always overdue.

If the premise is wrong, everything after it is decoration.

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